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Is Original Sin a Corrupting of Genetic Information?

Question:  OK, I read Corrupting The Image and listened to this segment.  I still don’t get it.  If Jesus was a product of the Holy Spirit providing DNA + Mary providing her DNA, that would make Jesus a hybrid, that is, half God and half human.  HUH?  Satan mixes his seed with a human creating a hybrid: demonic and human = Nephilim.  That I understand.   How does the perfect Jesus virgin birth reconcile with Luke 1.35?  “The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee (that’s 2 persons of the trinity there), therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.”  You said it yourself – errors in genetic code from the Fall are passed to ALL decendents (blessed as she was, that would still include Mary); therefore, if Jesus was perfect and without sin, Mary could not have donated half His genetic code.  Unless you’re trying to tell me that Mary/females have perfect DNA.   Jesus was not a God/man hybrid.  So – where am I missing it?  I will look for your response.  Thanks. – Sally

Hi Sally, That is a very fair question indeed. We know from Scripture that genetically speaking that Jesus was of his mother Mary and

Genetics of the Antichrist

Genetics of the Antichrist

hence genetically connected to (from the seed of) Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Judah, David and ultimately Adam and Eve. However, Jesus was and is still 100% God because He is pre-existent and his “spirit” / “info” came into flesh. I discuss that in my chapter on the genetics of the incarnation. I don’t pretend to fully understand that, but we can at least get a good idea of what happened. Part of the key to understanding the seed issue is that DNA is a storage system for information. What we cannot see when looking at a strand of DNA is the information that it contains. We can decode it just like we can with computers, but information itself is a non-material entity, according to Dr Werner Gitt (again, see my chapter on the genetics of the incarnation). Once we understand the information is non-material, then we begin to see the connection between the spiritual world and our physical world.

In that chapter on the genetics of the incarnation, I also talk about the Y chromosome that was passed from Adam to all of his male descendants. I and every guy on the planet has a copy (virtually identical) to Adam’s. What did Jesus not have? Adam’s Y chromosome! Because sin came through man (not woman) then we need to look for what was passed through men and not women – the Y chromosome. Women do not get off scot-free, however, because Eve was taken out of Adam. That is to say that her genetics came out of his. When he became corrupt so did she. She dies just like Adam. So, concerning Jesus: we know that he was subject to fatigue, hunger, death and yet also was able to walk on water and transfigure. It appears that his pre-resurrection body was the template of the new body but still subject to dangers (like the cross) and his post-resurrection body was no longer subject to such things. Therefore, I would conclude that by sharing the autosomes of Adam and Eve he was subject to our weaknesses but he did not inherit the Y chromosome which was so deleterious that a new 2nd-Adam-Y-chromosome is needed.
Here is an excerpt from that chapter:

This means that whatever information was encoded in Adam’s Y chromosome was passed on unchanged (virtually) to all of his descendants including all of us men alive today! However, if the information in the Y chromosome were faulty, then it would mean that all of his descendants (including us) would also have a faulty code. Discovering the exact make-up of the Y chromosome when Adam was first created is impossible for us to do, however, its current state may tell us something about the fall. The Y chromosome may in fact be a record of an event in the life of our original father. Bradman and Thomas suggest that the Y chromosome contains “a record of an event” [xvi] in the life the man who passed on the current Y chromosome. However, because Bradman and Thomas are committed to the evolutionary paradigm they believe the event “had no effect on the life of the man in whom the change occurred nor, indeed, on the life of his descendants,” (emphasis mine). [xvii] Is it possible that the recorded event is not something that had “little or no effect,” but is in some way the record of the genetic fall of our first father? Thus Adam not only died spiritually by virtue of losing the Holy Spirit, but his genetic information (as recorded specifically in the Y chromosome) was corrupted. God stated that in the day that Adam ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil he would die (Genesis 2:17).

Death, it appears, entered into Adam’s Y chromosome (in some way unique and different than the X) that very moment causing him to go from being genetically perfect to having serious errors in his code that would eventually cause a “crash”. Occasionally people who use computers will experience a scenario where the operating system experiences a “fatal crash”. The crash occurs because there is some conflict in the code of the program. Though the program may be able to sustain data loss for a short period, if uncorrected, the program will eventually crash. In Adam’s case, that crash took 930 years, but he did eventually experience a complete shutdown.

If that is correct, then the Y chromosome (and all of his chromosomes) must have been complete and whole before Adam fell into sin. We know that he was free from all imperfections because God created him and declared him to be good and because death entered into the world via Adam’s sin. Yet, the Y chromosome seems to contain something so deleterious that our savior could not have shared it. After all, every copy of the Y chromosome (that is, every male descendant of Adam) would necessarily have the same genetic flaw that would also lead to the ultimate crash. In order to save mankind on a genetic level, a new Y chromosome would need to be provided. Furthermore, through the disobedience of Adam all of creation was made subject to corruption as Paul states in Romans 8.

For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; because the creation itself also will bedelivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body, (Romans 8:19-23).

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  1. Funny how fallen man is trying to understand fallen man. That is like a hammer trying to hit itself or a saw trying to saw itself.

    It will never happen but the Lord must reveal it to us in due time.

  2. My comment exceeds max limit of characters allowed. Please click the link below for complete set.

    http://freddtan.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Original-Sin-and-Y-Chromosomes-2014.pdf

    excerpt from the link:

    1. What is original sin?

    Original sin is the first sin committed
    by Adam resulting in the fall of man. It is also a state of sin of
    humanity as this sin is passed from parent to child, resulting in humanity becoming a massa damnata (mass of perdition, condemned crowd)- Saint Augustine …through pro creation. Although Eve is the one who sinned first, but because
    Adam is the Federal Head, the universal ancestor, being the first man and from
    whom all human kind descended, his fall
    included or represented all of humanity.

    (Rom. 5:12).
    “Therefore, just as through one man
    sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all
    men, because all sinned.

    Scripture teaches in dichotomy of human composition
    –the material or physical and the immaterial (soul and spirit).

    Gen 2: 7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of
    the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a
    living soul.

    At the fall, both the material part and the immaterial
    aspect of man was corrupted.

    Gen 2: 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in
    the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good
    and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

    At the fall, spirit of man was severed from God,
    resulting in spiritual death. At the same time, the clock of mutation and aging
    starts ticking in the physical realm. Although the body still continue to
    function, the cells in the human body has started to die. When the time is ripe,
    when each of the major parts of the body deteriorates to the point when it can
    no longer sustain the continuous function of the entire body, clinical death or
    cessation of the body function takes over. Death with Adam did not happen at
    the time when the body ceased to function, death occurred when the process of death
    started. It was a cross over from life without death to temporal life tainted
    with death.

    2. How
    original sin is transmitted:

    “The
    first law of thermodynamics” known as the law of conservation of energy states that
    the total energy of a closed
    system is constant; energy or matter can be transformed from one form to
    another, but cannot be created or destroyed.

    Only God has the
    power to create ‘ex-nihilo’ (something out of nothing). On the seventh day, God
    had completed all His creation. DONE – Nothing has been created or added since
    then.

    Gen 2: 2 Thus the heavens
    and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His
    work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work
    which He had done.

    God has designed enabled and
    commanded human to reproduce “offspring” or living organism after themselves
    through pro-creation. New individuals that were born were not new creation (ex-nihilo)
    because God has ceased His work of creation.

    1Gen 27 So God created
    man in His own image; in the
    image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said
    to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion
    over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living
    thing that moves on the earth.”

    Pro-creation ( Wikipedia) is the biological
    process by which new “offspring” individual organisms are produced from their
    “parents”. Reproduction is a fundamental feature of all known life; each individual organism exists as the result of
    reproduction.

    Through
    pro-creation, both men and women are born with original sin/sin nature.

    Details of Pro-Creation ( Wikipedia)

    When the egg cell of a woman is fertilized through a sperm
    of a man, the fertilized egg starts to divide. Cell
    division is essential for an organism to grow, but, when a cell
    divides, it must replicate the DNA in its genome so that the two daughter cells
    have the same genetic information as their parent. The double-stranded
    structure of DNA provides a simple mechanism for DNA
    replication. Here, the two strands are separated and then each strand’s complementary
    DNA sequence
    is recreated by an enzyme called DNA
    polymerase. This enzyme makes the complementary strand by finding the
    correct base through complementary base pairing, and bonding it onto the
    original strand. As DNA polymerases can only extend a DNA strand in a 5′ to
    3′
    direction, different mechanisms are used to copy the anti-parallel strands of
    the double helix. In
    this way, the base on the old strand dictates which base appears on the new
    strand, and the cell ends up with a
    perfect copy of its DNA.

  3. And does that mean that Godliness is perfect DNA?

  4. I wonder if our DNA is changed after being Born Again?
    If the fall of Adam affected our DNA, is there a correction after Salvation?

  5. I’ve been reading the Book of Enoch and this is where I first discovered any of this.  If you give any relevance to the Gnostic scriptures, I suggest you read it yourself.  It can be found online. I’m happy to find someone has come out with these theories in print.  I use the word theories because nothing can be proven, but I tend to lean toward the believe that there is so much that we don’t know because the information has been hidden from us until recently.

  6. Kduplechin8860

    I have not read your book Corrupting the Image yet, but I was wandering about the scripture that infers that angels do not marry ( or have the ability of reproduction).  If this is correct, then how can angels share their DNA with humans?

  7. Charlotte Parsons

    Having discovered your site, I find my studies have been in the same area, but with variations.  As the seed of Satan is mentioned through the bible, it of course is the DNA.Quotes like Jn 8:44 reveal the seed already in mankind after the fall. Consider Cain’s birth. Adam “knew” Eve once, but Cain and Abel were both conceived. Could Satan, like his fallen host of angels, have enticed Eve to mate with him? Is Cain the seed of Satan? Consider the description of the Garden of God in Ez.31, that the “garden” was full of trees – which were people. The fruit of the Garden of Eden, with it’s seed could be of Satan literally.

  8. In our Godly desire to know God and the truth better, much
    thought can be built on another foundation than Jesus Christ, especially if it
    seems to be cool “secret knowledge.” The Bible is God revealed by
    spiritual truths with spiritual words. He is worshipped in Spirit and Truth. He
    looks at the hearts of men, not their exterior. One can not use Scripture as a
    rock solid source of scientific truth. (Btw, I believe the Bible is inerrant in
    its original written form of which today we have more than 99% right.) For
    example, in many places in the Bible, God refers to “all” of a group
    of people, and then later we see He didn’t mean 100.000% of the people. (He
    might have used “all” to refer to the spirit of the group of people,
    such as in “all Israel
    will be saved.”)

     

    The only explanation I have been comfortable with regarding
    the original post is this (which is not without its own problems):

     

    Adam and Eve’s sins were very different. Under Mosaic
    Law, which is a reflection of God’s nature, what Eve did was forgivable. Adam’s
    *intentional* sin was not forgivable. There was no way to offer sacrifices for it.
    Such people were cast out of the community of Jews. Note the meaning of being
    cast out of the community of Jews in the context of the New Testament.

     

    It seems possible to me that our sin is inherited from our
    Fathers, but not from our mothers. Please note that all women are born of
    Fathers. This sin is a spiritual condition, not a physical one. Making
    reference to DNA is the same as making a reference to our (Bibilical defined) body–or
    the part of us in the physical realm. Our physical body has nothing to do with
    our sin condition before God.

     

    The kinsman-redeemer portion of the Mosaic Law and a
    reference in Hebrews shows us that Jesus was fully human and was born of Mary’s
    body, but with the idea stated above, Jesus didn’t inherit any sin nature from
    Mary. Also, He was fully God, because his 100% God Spirit became flesh. Scripture
    does not speak to the details of what happened when the Holy Spirit
    overshadowed Mary. Any detail comes from human reasoning from incomplete
    information.

  9. Doug, Sally, Here’s a different answer to your ?? As I see it: Satan as we well know is an eternally fallen creature and his seed however/whatever that may be, is corrupt; he can only breed eternally damned hybrids. On the other hand, God, our creator, implants His perfect “Y” into Mary thereby overshadowing her “XX” and the result is our sinless Savior – the perfect “YX”. 
    Mike G.

  10. Oh, stupid me, i ask the question before i seen that Mr.Hamp had already answered it..

  11. Hmmm.  So are you saying that Adam can’t give his genetic information because he sinned willfully (rebellion & disobedience) corrupting his genetic code, but Eve was deceived so she is still eligible to be a gene donor and only passed on the “subjection-to-hunger-fatigue-death”-etc part of the wages-of-sin-is-death sentence — so it doesn’t really count as imperfection?  Is that what you’re saying?  Because I am still wondering, with your explanation, how the perfect Jesus can be perfect when with your theory he received half His genetic code from Mary who being a fallen human, also has a corrupt genetic code.  It doesn’t add up.  With your argument, I can see where some people incorrectly position Mary as the “Queen of Heaven” and spiritual “Mother of Jesus” intead of Mary, highly blessed, human mother of Jesus who also needed a perfect Savior.  Did I miss something?    I just don’t see the formula of perfection + corruption = perfection.  Unless there’s another way to explain this, let’s keep thinking; I don’t think we’re there yet. 

    • I am wondering the same thing Sally, I hope Mr. Hamp will answer as i am either not understanding it or taking it different..I am confused..[smile].

      • Jesus comes from God in a physical body. If he never sins after the age of accountability, its his actions not his DNA that makes him perfect. Isa 9 tells us that Jesus to learn to choose good or evil. Its in the actions not the DAN

        • sorry for the miss spelling. D.N.A.

          •  Human beings are souls, a combination of the dust of the ground and the breath of life. The body is the dust while the breath is our human spirit.  The human spirit is the part of us that has become defiled by sin we use our bodies to manifest sin but as Jesus said sin comes from our human spirit, from within.  DNA is a physical thing and has nothing to do with the origin of sin in us.  The human spirit is our mind and this is where we sin. Dead men can no longer sin because they can no longer think.

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