Friday , 1 August 2014

Nephilim: Common Objections Answered

A listener sent in these questions and I address them on the latest edition of According to the Scriptures Radio (Sept 13, 2012)

The Millennium Chronicles
The Millennium Chronicles

Who are the Nephilim? What does it mean when the Bible says “they came into the daughters of men”
and “they bore children to them”, if it is not talking about sex?There are all kinds of problems with thinking that either:

1) demons can create human bodies for them to indwell (only God can create ex nihilo), or
2) demons possessing humans can somehow infuse their demonic nature into the person’s sperm
so that the offspring is half-demon (demons are spirits with no physical body or DNA to pass on).

2 Pet 2:4 and Jude 1:6 are quite graphic about the angels that didn’t keep the proper domain and abandoned their own habitation – this is the same word that Paul uses in 2 Cor 5:2 to talk about our new bodies. So, angels did in fact put off their “spiritual” body and took on some form of flesh. How they did that we don’t know – but they are a lot smarter than us.
Basically, there’s no way for fallen angels (demons) to mate with women and procreate “demon offspring.” First, they are unable to materialize a human body out of nothing in order to have physical relations (only God can create ex nihilo). Even if a demon could inhabit a man’s body by “possessing” him, mating would only pass along the man’s DNA; it couldn’t pass along any “demon DNA” since (as a spiritual being) it doesn’t have any!
Another major assumption. How does this person know that they don’t have DNA? What is DNA? At its core, it is information.
Carl Kerby’s newsletter mentioned different views on this, including “the view that fallen angels mated with the daughters of men to produce extremely wicked and powerful offspring, which led to the extreme wickedness of Noah’s day.” His summary point is that God judged them in that day, just as He judges wickedness in our day. But, if God judged the extremely wicked people (creatures?) of that day by destroying them all in the Flood . . . then who are the giants we see later? That view also sort of elevates man, in suggesting that the population was “extremely wicked” only because it was half-demon–rather than acknowledging that man needs no help to be unbelievably wicked all on his own.Anyway, demons are bodiless spirits. So since it just isn’t possible for demons to create human/demon offspring, then obviously we need to look for another explanation, one that’s consistent with Scripture. Humans reproduce only after their own kind, and demons simply cannot create human bodies or procreate. No “Rosemary’s baby”! There are not human/demonic creatures walking among us, because Jesus said “a spirit does not have flesh and bones,” and also our battle is not “against flesh and blood, but against …spiritual hosts of wickedness.”
I address these questions in more detail on the show.
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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sam-Hansen/100003084107054 Sam Hansen

    For the people who keep on thinking that angels can’t get a physical body, please go read the Old Testament again. Seriously, you people are pathetic. You don’t even bother to read, you’d know that they ate, wrestled, and talked to, and touched people. Secondly, even in the occult and other channelings, mediums, and so on, the spiritual “etheric” bodies can be felt and touched. There is multiple accounts of such. The more I see some people within the Christian community the more I realize the occult has a lot more knowledge of the spiritual realm than they do.

  • Anna Rose

    Are we not told in Genesis that satan was able to take the form of a snake when talking to Eve? And is that not a body? I don’t see how it is farfetched to assume that demons/nephilim/spiritual beings could present themselves in a bodily form.

  • sophie the cat

    I’m not sure that I understand the “spirits don’t have bodies” remark in one of the comments above, my understanding is that demons are disembodied spirits of the nephilim, the progeny of the fallen angelics and their mating with women. I also thought that most of those heinous creatures were killed by the great flood judgement over the entire earth. my understanding was that they had so infiltrated mankind, (I think I could inject infected mankind here!) and also had infected the plants and animals of our world of that time. This may well be why YaHWeH had to annihilate the planet. I also understood that this is wherein we have our mythological tales of ancient gods and goddesses.
    I thought that Nimrod became a gibborim by whatever means that was at the time!?! It certainly might expain why the Israelites were told to destroy entire communities that they came to rather then just conquer and take the spoils of war. I’m not exactly sure how there were any progeny left after the flood except that there must have been a second incursion or possibly, if they were exceedingly advanced in knowledge, they might have been capable of using dna found all over the planet, much like today in that they are attempting to clone a mammoth! These are my musings based partly on what I’ve read in the scriptures and extrabiblical accounts as well as understanding what has been, will be again, there is nothing new under the sun! I think we are near the place they were in Noah’s day, even so, come quickly LORD JESUS!

    • Paul

      “I’m not exactly sure how there were any progeny left after the flood
      except that there must have been a second incursion or possibly, if they
      were exceedingly advanced in knowledge, they might have been capable of
      using DNA found all over the planet..”.

      The other possibility is that some corrupt DNA was present on the ark (not Noah, his wife, or their offspring, but perhaps amongst some of those whom the latter married) — this is Rob Skiba’s position, and he argues it quite well. It’s quite a tricky question to ponder, though, and I haven’t made up my mind yet…

  • Bill

    We don’t fully comprehend the ‘spiritual realm’ and all it’s possibilities, yet people tend to think in ‘human’ terms as if we know the ‘end all’ and ‘be all’ of the angelic/spirit realm. Man ‘fell’ and lost his innocence and his relationship with God, then why would we not consider the possibility that the angels who ‘fell’ might also lose something during that process, including their ‘spiritual’ nature and being reduced to the earthly realms in a ‘material’ body? We are quick to reject what doesn’t make sense and tend to comprehend and formulate the spiritual with our fallen finite minds…and if it doesn’t make ‘earthly’ sense we are quick to make it ‘fit’ our world and it’s laws forgetting that the spiritual lies outside the laws of this life. I accept the fact that what God declares in scripture is the truth, that fallen angels cohabited with earthly females and produced a race of beings that corrupted the human race in an attempt to thwart the birth of Jesus.

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