Thursday , 18 September 2014

Part Nine: The Size of the Nephilim

The spies’ report determined the next forty years for the Israelites. Their lack of trust in what God could do denied them the opportunity to see the hand of God work in their lifetime. However, we must not discount the facts of their report. They first of all mention that the people of the land were stronger than they were. It is a land that devours its inhabitants and “all the people that we saw in it are of great height“. There were not just a few tall people there – but all of the people were enormous. In fact these people were so tall and large that the Israelites likened themselves to grasshoppers compared to these Nephilim “and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight” (Numbers 13:33).

Having first described the people of the land, they then mention them by name “the descendants of Anak came from the giants [Nephilim],” (Numbers 13:33). Notice that Joshua and Caleb do not deny the report. They simply have the faith that God will do what he said. The Nephilim are the reason why the children of Israel did not possess the land right after leaving Egypt. The presence of the Nephilim disheartened the spies who consequently gave a bad report. God, though very upset at the people’s lack of trust, nevertheless agreed with the description of the people of the land being of a great height and also agreed with the comparison of the Israelites appearing like grasshoppers. Though years later, in Amos 2:9 God says:

Yet it was I who destroyed the Amorite before them, Whose height was like the height of the cedars, And he was as strong as the oaks; Yet I destroyed his fruit above And his roots beneath, (Amos 2:9).

God’s endorsement is significant; He states the height of the Amorites was like the cedars and God also likens the tail of the mighty Behemoth [i] to a cedar in Job 40. “Look now at the behemoth, which I made along with you; He eats grass like an ox. See now, his strength is in his hips, and his power is in his stomach muscles. He moves his tail like a cedar,” (Job 40:15-18). God is clearly not saying that his tail was merely stiff for any tree might be used to communicate that message. However, the cedar is a tree that was renown in the ancient world and the cedars of Lebanon were famous for their immense height. According to one source cedar trees can grow anywhere from 40-85 feet tall [ii] and the cedar of Lebanon being among the tallest. In my book The First Six Days, I discuss size of the tail of the mighty behemoth because God there likens it to a cedar of Lebanon. “God states what his bones are like […] the picture is given that the bones of this creature were of immense strength implying that the creature itself was extremely big to need such strong bones.” [iii]

The description fits the Sauropod class of dinosaurs extremely well and the dinosaur with the longest tail is thought to be the Diplodocus. One source suggests that the tail [iv] may have been up to 46 feet long! God’s description of the behemoth is not an exaggeration but consistent with what we currently understand about dinosaurs. It could be that the cedars that Job was associated with measured more in the 40-60 foot range. Thus, just to be as conservative as possible – if we assume the minimum height of the cedar that God had in mind was only 40 feet then we have a likely maximum height for the Amorites. How can we calculate the minimum height of these giants (at that time)?

Size of a Cubit in Moses’ Day

Moses describes the size of the bed of King Og of Bashan, who, as we saw, was one of the Nephilim.

For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of the Rephaim [NKJV Giants]; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbah of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man, (Deuteronomy 3:11 JPS).

Moses clearly says that this man’s bed was nine cubits but just how big is a cubit? According to the Oxford Dictionary a cubit was:

1. The part of the arm from the elbow downward; the forearm.

2. An ancient measure of length derived from the forearm; varying at different times and places, but usually 18 to 22 inches. The Roman cubit was 17.4 inches; the Egyptian 20.64 inches.

Tim Lovett, an expert on ancient shipbuilding, reviewed the references for cubits from around the world in order to get a firm understanding of how long the cubit was that Noah used in the Ark. [v] He notes that the shortest was the Greek Short Cubit of 14 inches (356 millimeters) and among the longest were the Persian (Royal) cubit of 25.2 inches (640 millimeters) and the Arabic (Hashimi) of 25.56 inches (649 millimeters). The cubit varied over the centuries by as much as nearly one foot! However, we can be quite confident of the measure that was being referred to concerning King Og. Clearly, the Greek, Persian and Arabic Empires were not around in Moses’ day, so that immediately eliminates their running in this race; the only empire that fits is Egypt.

Moses had just come out of Egypt and Stephen in Acts 7:22 tells us that Moses was “learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians.” Since we have no record of God instituting a new form of measurement, we can safely conclude that any measurements given would then be in the one that all of the people of Israel would have been familiar with. In fact, considering that they were slaves forced to make bricks and to build store houses, measurements would have been very important for them. The most natural and in fact only measurement that they could have known was the Egyptian. Thus when Moses says that Og’s bed measured nine cubits long we are obligated to calculate using the Egyptian standard of that day.

Tim Lovett notes that the original Royal Egyptian [vi] cubit had a range of 20.62 inches (523.75 millimeters) to 20.65 inches (525 millimeters) while the average was 20.63/4 (524.00 millimeters). This is corroborated by two places in the Scriptures which make reference to this older and longer cubit. King Solomon used the older measure where we read in 2 Chronicles 3:3: “The length was sixty cubits (by cubits according to the former measure).” In Ezekiel’s vision of the future temple the measurement that will be employed will be apparently the older and hence longer measure. “These are the measurements of the altar in cubits (the cubit is one cubit and a handbreadth)”, (Ezekiel 43:13).

Figure 4 – Egyptian Royal Cubit
Egyptian Royal Cubit

Therefore we can confidently conclude that the cubit Moses was referring to was in fact the Egyptian Royal cubit which was 20.63 inches. [vii]

Multiplying 20.63 inches, (524.00 millimeters) by nine (cubits) we arrive at 185.67 inches (4716 millimeters) for the total length of his bed. Converted into our measurements, it was almost fifteen feet six inches (15.47 feet 4.716 meters) long and its width six feet ten inches (6.87 feet, 2.094 meters)! This is one massive bed! Moses also mentions that the bed was made of iron which would preclude the idea that a small man with a big ego slept on it otherwise there would be no need to mention the fact that the bed was physically strong (of iron) in order to support someone of such enormous proportions. Thus we can assume that Og must have been slightly shorter than the bed that he slept on and therefore make him roughly 15 feet (4.55 meters) tall!

The Millennium Chronicles

However, it is plausible that by “bed” Moses in fact meant his final bed – that is his sarcophagus (coffin). This would make sense from the fact that: a) there is no unique word for sarcophagus in Hebrew other than bed and b) this “bed” was apparently on display “Is it not in Rabbah of the people of Ammon?” (Deuteronomy 3:11). It would seem strange to just have the bed of their former king lying around apparently on display. However, being able to visit the sarcophagus of their fallen king is very plausible. If that is the case, then it would suggest that the “bed” was not for nightly sleeping but was made just big enough for his body to be placed in. Thus, those dimensions more aptly describe the true size of this Rephaim king who measured nearly fifteen feet five inches tall and had a shoulder width of almost six feet ten inches.

Just How Tall Was That?

To get an idea of just how massive a person of this size was, consider the following chart. Note that the man on the left is six feet, the approximate height for most western men. Next to him stands Goliath measuring about 10’ 4”tall, the twelve foot man then doubles today’s man and finally King Og, who measured some fifteen feet tall dwarfed today’s average man!

We must point out that the giants that inhabited the land were not just tall men like basketball players of today. Nor were the ancient Israelites significantly shorter than today and thus upon seeing men over six or seven feet they thought them to be giants as some liberal theologians would suggest! King Og was at least 2.5 times taller than a man measuring six feet tall. These measurements are conceivable if indeed fallen angels took women and procreated the Nephilim according to Genesis 6. However, these measurements are illogical in light of the sons of Seth and daughters of man theory because a godly person and a non-godly person will not have children 15 feet tall! However, demons and humans would presumably produce such enormous children.

How Heavy Was King Og?

Let’s just consider the implications of a person that tall. Let’s assume that he would be equivalent to a man of 200 pounds – someone who is in shape, but not trying to be a professional athlete and is approximately 6 feet tall. We know that king Og of Bashan was 2.5 times taller – but how much heavier would he be? Galileo in the early 1600s considered the issue in relation to animals, but the principle is true for people as well. The Indian Institute of Astrophysics notes Galileo’s theorization concerning the relation of size to strength (of bone [m1] ) and structure:

Consider two animals of different sizes that are geometrically similar. If the larger is twice as long as the smaller animal, it is also twice as wide and twice as high. The larger creature outweighs its smaller counterpart eight times. (Indian Institute of Astrophysics 2006)

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The above formula is 2 x 2 x 2 = 8. Therefore to calculate King Og’s weight we need the cube of 2.5 which is 15.625. That is to say that King Og of Bashan would have weighed 15.625 times more than a six foot man today and thus he would weigh (15.625 x 200 =) 3125 pounds (1420 kilograms). Considering that King Og was a warrior, we can presume that he could at least lift the equivalent of his own body weight (a 200 hundred pound man can potentially lift 400-500 pounds or 2 times his own body weight). Thus, even if he could only lift his own body weight, he still would have been able to lift two war horses (1500 pounds each) at once with its rider and throw it! In modern terms he could lift a midsize car!

A Land That Devours Its Inhabitants

The Israelites also said that it is a “land that devours its inhabitants”. It would be easy to suggest that they were simply exaggerating or using hyperbole. However, when we consider how much King Og must have eaten, we begin to see that they were giving an accurate description of what the giants were like! If we use the more conservative weight calculation then he would have needed to consume at least 22,657 calories per day just to stay alive as per the Basal Metabolic Rate [viii] which calculates, based on a person’s height and weight, how many calories they need to live if they are not doing any significant work per day. Let’s put that into perspective to see how he and the other giants his size were devouring the inhabitants, which were presumably animals and hopefully not humans.

First of all today’s average American eats about 4000 calories per day [m2]. In 1909 the average American was eating about 3500 calories per day – about 500 less than today [ix] (although the recommended daily calorie intake is only two thousand). King Og therefore was eating the amount equivalent to about six or seven modern Americans. However, how much was the average person in his day eating? While they didn’t leave us detailed records, based on their stature 5’6” to 5’7” and the type of food they had plus the fact that none of today’s sugars and processed foods were available, we can estimate that their calorie intake was about 1600 calories [x] per day. That means that King Og needed, just to stay alive, the same as approximately nine normal sized persons. However, if we convert his needs into pizzas he would need 12 – 12 inch pizzas (1840 calories each). If we convert that to cheeseburgers then he would need 63 cheeseburgers [xi] daily and converted into lamb he would consume an entire lamb about every two or three days [xii] just to just to maintain his daily basic needs. [m3] Just imagine if he were having a party or getting ready to go to war! Of course, all of these calculations are only for his Basil Metabolic Rate which is the minimum needed to stay alive each day.  His actual consumption was quite possibly double and that is assuming that he was not an overeater. Given the fact that he was a giant, he may have just kept eating and eating! He might have had the equivalent of over 30 pizzas or 150 cheeseburgers per day!

Generally the strongest people get first pick on their food preferences, it would be easy to see how just to feed one giant could easily require numerous animals, plants, fruits, plus water and wine. Therefore, the spies were not exaggerating when they said that it was a land that devours its inhabitants. The Nephilim were certainly eating continually and many animals must have been given to satisfy their nearly insatiable appetites. Therefore we can empathize with the Israelites and the fear they had of the inhabitants of the land who “devoured its inhabitants!” Nevertheless, how sad that they did not (and often we do not) take God at His Word when He exhorted them with these mighty words:

Therefore understand today that the LORD your God is He who goes over before you as a consuming fire. He will destroy them and bring them [the gigantic inhabitants] down before you; so you shall drive them out and destroy them quickly, as the LORD has said to you, (Deuteronomy 9:3).

Approximately 500 years later David would face the giant Goliath, who was also descended from the Rephaim (I Chronicles 20:5, 6). Goliath, measured a mere six cubits (20.6”x6 cubits = 10.3 feet [10’ 4”]). That means that Goliath was 1.72 times taller than a man of six feet. Again, using our cube formula for calculating weight, we need to find the cube of 1.72 which is 5.088 and multiplying that times our 200 lb. man Goliath would weigh 1068 lbs. Thus King Og weighed about 3100 lbs. and Goliath, who was one third shorter than Og, weighed approximately 1000 – they were two enormous people which simply underscores the reason the Israelites feared them. The biblical evidence is conclusive that the Nephilim were in fact men of extraordinary stature and that they descended from human mothers and fallen angel fathers.

Extra-Biblical Confirmation

Numbers 13 of Targum Jonathan states that the giants were masters of evil:

The country through which we have passed to explore it is a land that killeth its inhabitants with diseases; and all the people who are in it are giants, masters of evil ways. And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, of the race of the giants; (Targum Jonathan, Numbers 13, emphasis mine).

The Targum makes reference to the giants of the land as being of the same stock as those that perished in the flood, which again, would prove that they believed them to be Nephilim.

The Emthanaia dwelt in it of old, a people great and many, and mighty as the giants. The giants who dwelt in the plain of Geyonbere were also reputed as the giants who perished in the Flood; but the Moabites called them Emethanee, (Targum Jonathan, Deuteronomy 2, emphasis mine).

Lastly we see in Targum Jonathan how the ancient Jews believed and understood Moses’ saying that the Lord your God is “He who goes over before you as a consuming fire. He will destroy them and bring them down before you.” They understood it as a reference to His Shechinah which is also known as the Word. Notice that the giants were indeed bigger and mightier than the Israelites. In fact they were so great, God said that He personally would take care of them.

Hear, Israel: you are this day (about) to pass Jordan to enter in and possess (the country of) nations greater and stronger than you, and cities many, and fortified to the height of heaven. A people (are they) strong and tall as the giants whom you know, and of whom you have heard (say), Who can stand before the sons of the giants? Know, therefore, today that the Lord your God, whose glorious Shekinah goeth before you, whose Word is a consuming fire, will destroy them and drive them out before you; so shall you drive them out, and destroy them quickly, as the Lord your God hath said to you. (Targum Jonathan Deuteronomy 9, emphasis mine).

Josephus and Baruch

We next turn to Josephus who described the giants as being extremely large and whose bones were still available even in his day.

For which reason they removed their camp to Hebron; and when they had taken it, they slew all the inhabitants. There were till then left the race of giants, who had bodies so large, and countenances so entirely different from other men, that they were surprising to the sight, and terrible to the hearing. The bones of these men are still shown to this very day, unlike to any credible relations of other men, (emphasis mine). [xiii]

Very much like Josephus, the writer of the book of Baruch mentions their fame and great height. “There were the giants famous from the beginning, that were of so great stature, and so expert in war.” (Baruch, Chapter 3:26).

Book of Jubilees

The book of Jubilees, from the Dead Sea Scrolls, also records the fact of the giants’ great height and even gives specific measurements. “But before they used to call the land of Gilead the land of the Rephaim; for it was the land of the Rephaim, and the Rephaim were born (there), giants whose height was ten, nine, eight down to seven cubits.” (emphasis mine). [xiv]

Tertullian

We last turn to the church father, Tertullian, who wrote that the giants’ bodies were still around in his day. He believed that their remains would contain the needed DNA (germs was the term of his day) to bring them to life again.

There are the carcasses of the giants of old time; it will be obvious enough that they are not absolutely decayed, for their bony frames are still extant. […] the lasting germs of that body which is to sprout into life again in the resurrection, (emphasis mine). [xv]

Biblical and Extra-Biblical Conclusions

Thus we can conclude that Nephilim and all of the other names that are in Scripture for them were not merely the offspring of a human father with a human mother. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that the Nephilim came about as a result of the “good” sons of Seth turning “bad” and then connecting with the bad daughters of Cain. The ancient world believed until the time of Augustine about the Nephilim. Every ante-Nicene interpreter (Jewish and Christian) understood the sons of God to be angels who had sexual relations with women. The offspring of those relationships were the Nephilim. If there were demonic-human (Nephilim) hybrids in the days of Noah and afterwards then what will there be at the time of Jesus’ return?

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  • Deborah L. Griffin

    Since the lyger (tiger and lion) have been crossed, the offspring was much larger than both. This is because something happened in the crossing of the two that destroyed the hormone that stops the growth. I just watched it last night. (you can find it on youtube). This is interesting when studying about the giants. Human and fallen angel may have done the same thing, destroyed the cap on the growth. Hummm

  • mike

    Your theory is not possible… especially if your basing it at all on the bible account. The Bible clearly says that all the children of the fallen angles — Nephilim — as well as all humans outside of the Ark died. According to Genesis they would have all drowned in the Deluge in 2370 BCE and only 8 humans were to remain to repopulate the earth. End of story bro, you make great stories but your timeline is all off with bible chronology.

  • sharbel23

    To Venerable Anne Catherine Emmerich, a Catholic mystic, it was revealed, that the way the giants survived after the flood, was that Ham’s wife smuggled a baby on board the Ark that she passed off as her own, but which was not in fact hers but another’s, and the child was infected with the giant genes.

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  • David

    I certainly agree that “Giants is Giants” but, they is also the result of Genesis 6:2 and 6:4; “That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took wives of all which they chose…There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” There can be no doubt that the “sons of God” are angels, as is confirmed in Job 1:6-7 and Job 2 :1-2. And, of course, the “daughters of men” are simply human females, the descendants of Adam. And the ‘Giants’ were the result of sexual intercourse (“came in unto”) between these 2 distinct ‘orders’ of creation, which resulted in genetic mutations (every human being is the result of the genetic contribution of both the male parent and the female parent). So, it is apparent that there is something more to the make-up of the Nephilim than what can be understood in strictly ‘natural’ terms.
    As to the “origin of demons”, what is linked (with Satan) in Scripture is not identified as “demons” but “the stars of heaven” and “his angels”. Stars, of course, are very definitely identified with angels in Scripture; “When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?” (Job 38:7), as well as, “And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.” (Revelation 9 :1).
    In Revelation 12 :7-9; “And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was there place found anymore in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him”. This explains the identity of the “stars” of Revelation 3 : 3-4; “And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth…”
    Note that Revelation, verse 7, does not say “the dragon and his DEMONS”, but, “the dragon and his ANGELS”. It would seem that the only way that this verse could be used to address the ‘origin of the demons’ would be to use ‘circular reasoning’, i.e. ‘demons are fallen angels, so the angels which fell with Satan are demons’. So, I guess, whether the ‘hoof-beats’ are horses or zebras depends on what the local wild-life consists of. As far as the presence of a “hierarchy of angels”, Satan certainly has his own “Kingdom”; “And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?” (Matthew 12:26). We also know that Satan “drew the third part of the stars of heaven”, which are now ‘the principalities and powers, dominions, dignities, thrones’ etc., depending, of course, upon the context of the use of the word, e.g., “Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come…the mystery which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God…For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places…” (Ephesians 1:21; 3:10; 6:12. Which leads to the conclusion; the angels which followed Satan are still angels, and I wholeheartedly agree that there is a hierarchy amongst the angels (both Elect and Evil); and it appears that these ‘earth-bound’ demons who “walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none” (Matthew 12 ;43-45); and who attack children; “…Lord have mercy on my son: for he is lunatic, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water…And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour…” (Matthew 17 :15 & 18); and who caused men to walk about naked, and drove them from other men into the wilderness, as the Demon called Legion did to the Gadarene Demoniac (Luke 8:26-37); are the bottom of the hierarchy of Satans’ ‘hosts’. It is also interesting that the demons, identified as Legion, did not ask to be allowed to return to the “high places” which are inhabited by the angelic “principalities and powers”, but asked instead to be allowed to enter a nearby herd of swine. It would seem that these ‘demons’ are those “beggarly elements’ referred to by the Apostle Paul in Galatians 4 :8-9; “Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods. But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?” The bottom of the hierarchy appear to be “them which by nature are no gods” but are “weak and beggarly elements”, and they appear to be the ‘demons’. Angels are not said to “possess men” (rather ‘sorely vex’ men), with the exception of Satan ‘entering into’ Judas (Luke 22 :3). In fact, Jesus gave His disciples “…power and authority over all devils…” (Luke 9:1; Matthew 10:8).
    Paul says; “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness…” (II Timothy 3 :16), as for II Corinthians 15 :35-54, this chapter of Corinthians is not quoted to present a “theory about disembodied demonic spirits”, but rather, to make the point that the Apostle Paul appears to be explaining that ‘Celestial beings’ have ‘celestial bodies’ ; Webster defines ‘Celestial’ as “Heavenly; belonging or relating to heaven; dwelling in heaven; as celestial spirits; celestial joys. Hence the word conveys the idea of superior excellence, delight, purity & c….Celestial, n. An inhabitant of heaven.” The point being that angels have ‘celestial bodies’, they need not ‘walk through dry places’ nor ‘enter into a herd of swine’, and those who fell with Satan, though evil, remain angels.
    As to the nature of our ‘resurrection bodies’, it must be remembered that we (who are saved by Christ) have been purchased by Him. “And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.” (Romans 8:10-11), also “I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me : and the life that I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.” (Galatians 2:20); Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.”(Hebrews 7:25). Now, the same ‘terrestrial body’ serves both the saved and unsaved upon this earth, that substance does not change when a man is saved, there does not appear to be any reason that a ‘celestial body’ should be any different in this respect. The key lies in the Indwelling Spirit of God, angels were not in the past, nor are they in the future to be indwelt by Christ. Jesus is our ‘Kinsman Redeemer’.
    And, finally ; “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.” (I Peter 1:3-5). It is good to know that our inheritance is “incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away’.

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  • Noblesensei

    Great article; very spot ON; the nephilim were not merely tall people as today’s basketball players is totally correct. Also, another way besides their immense size, strength and speed, to spot these giants per Steve Quayle is by them possessing 6 digits instead of our five, having double rows of teeth, and having two horns.

  • Lynn

    Aren’t these guys condemned to live under the ground and in the or under the mountains until the latter days???? I could have sworn I read that long ago…. Anyone know what I’m trying to remember here???

  • Lynn

    Aren’t these guys condemned to live under the ground and in the or under the mountains until the latter days???? I could have sworn I read that long ago…. Anyone know what I’m trying to remember here???

  • Larfritze731

    I’ve been reading on this subject and alot of it makes sence, but I still don’t understand how the Nephilim pasted through the flood which God used to cleans the world of them. The angels who did these evil deeds are in chains in tartarus as Jude states. I realize that the Spirits of these giants became the demons that now wage war on the saints but how did they aquire their preflood bodies if they were destoyed in the flood?
    Thanks Larry

    • http://douglashamp.com Douglas Hamp

      Hi Larry,

      The answer is fairly: other fallen angels came down and did after the flood what other fallen angels did before the flood.
      Take care.

  • Larfritze731

    I’ve been reading on this subject and alot of it makes sence, but I still don’t understand how the Nephilim pasted through the flood which God used to cleans the world of them. The angels who did these evil deeds are in chains in tartarus as Jude states. I realize that the Spirits of these giants became the demons that now wage war on the saints but how did they aquire their preflood bodies if they were destoyed in the flood?
    Thanks Larry

    • Ahhhnold

      i would say they somehow survived by living in a deep cave or something. Because there are news stories from the 1920′s up to the 1970′s (before all the evolution teaching got so heavy) of mainstream newspapers and tv news storys reporting on giant skeleton bones found deep underground in “mounds” as they call it. one story out of indiana i believe it was, was of a find of a group of giants huddled together in a room with pottery near them and weapons and such. perhaps this was their retreat as the floods started. Maybe just maybe there was a big amount of nephilim that ran into a cave, blocked it off with huge boulders and survived in there while the flood occured. Perhaps there was enough of them that they cannabalized on their fellow giants down there to survive the long stay in there. Thats one theory. But the bible does say “there were giants on the earth in those days and AFTER” so who knows.

      keep in mind 70% of the earth is now covered in water. Before the flood im sure it was way way less. so the land we all live on, the continents now, we literally are living on the tops of mountains. If you take away all this water and expose the land you would have a serious incline going down to the level land. So these monstrous giants back then when the rains came you can bet your butt headed for high ground. Perhpas the “low plain of rephaim” had a good hideout for them back then maybe thats why it was the one place dedicated to them.

    • Bluemoonhowler

      Larry! If you can find the BOOK OF ENOCH, read it and it will open up your world so much! you will find out that not all of the 200 fallen angels (nephilim) where chained in the pit! but 20 were actually given to hasatan to do his bidding! They still had the power to mate with human women, but they also rule the world governments and there children (raphiem) that died in the flood are the demonic spirits that can enter bodies and possess them, to learn more you can go to Lew White at TORAHZONE.NET and check out what the “alien” talk is all about!!! PEACE!!!

      • antonio

        the fallen angels were NOT the nephilim. The nephilim were the offspring of the fallen angels and the daughters of men. And: “nephilim” does not mean “fallen ones”! The word nephilim does not come from hebrew sources but from aramaic sources, Thus, the singular of nephilim (plural) does not come from the Hebrew root “naphal” as many believe. The nephilim were giants. They were hybrids but not fallen angels. I think (but not I am not sure) they were the demi-gods of the ancient pagan people (Egyptians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans and so on).

  • John

    15 or so feet tall is just under the gravity limit for mammalian hearts. A Giraffe can only reach 17 feet before gravity prevents blood being pumped to the brain.

    • D-Man

      John,
      Do you mean the gravity limit of the height of the heart specifically or the height of the mammal in total? By this I mean to ask: Can a mammal reach a height that surpasses 15 feet as long as the heart has not reached that height?

      D-Man

    • http://douglashamp.com Douglas Hamp

      Yes, but the dinosaurs (think Sauropods) were incredibly huge.

    • LoveGod3

      Keep in mind not only did they have human DNA but they had angelic DNA and we dont know how THAT played into the mix.

    • antonio

      don’t forget, they were not normal human beings but hybrids/chimeras. Additionally, the atmosphere before the flood was completely different compared with the atmospere after the flood, thus the atmospheric pressure was also.

  • http://www.photonsoflight.com photonsoflight

    Wonderful article. Makes one wonder about all the hidden corpses found in the burial mounds in the new world that the government and its historical society spirited away, then denied. What are they doing with those bones? Prepare for the days of Noah.

  • benkeshet

    b”h

    וְתִדַּע יוֹמָא דֵּין, אֲרֵי יְיָ אֱלָהָךְ הוּא עָבַר קֳדָמָךְ מֵימְרֵיהּ אִישָׁא אָכְלָא

    I don’t know if the Aramaic above will appear correctly. In any case it does not contain the phrase below enclosed in brackets [].

    Know, therefore, today that the Lord your God, [whose glorious Shekinah goeth before you,] whose Word is a consuming fire…

    Are there variations in Targum Jonathan?

    I’m also curious whether you conclude there will be Nephilim in the near future, since you’ve studied this question.

    “But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark”

    In my view neither Matthew 24 nor Luke 17:29-30, ‘As it was in the days of Lot, even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed,’ demand the return of Nephilim.

    If however they do arise, then I presume they will assume the proportions you describe. As far as I know there are no populations of Nephilim currently inhabiting the earth.

    Yet since Messiah interpreted the verse as to what he intended, “they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage,” i.e. totally oblivious to impending doom, I don’t see any need or demand for Nephilim.

    >>>>

    Regarding Og, you state, “This would make sense from the fact that: a) there is no unique word for sarcophagus in Hebrew other than bed.”

    וַיַּחַנְטוּ אֹתוֹ, וַיִּישֶׂם בָּאָרוֹן בְּמִצְרָיִם

    The last verse of Bereshit – Genesis says Joseph was embalmed and put in an “Aron” which I think very likely represent the equivalent of an Egyptian sarcophagus.

    Best wishes,

    Hanoch

    • http://douglashamp.com Douglas Hamp

      Hi Hanoch,

      I believe that Nephilim are coming in the future – I will write about this in an upcoming post. Keep in mind that when Jesus spoke of the days of Noah His audience would have immediately thought of the Nephilim as I point out in previous posts.

      The word aron that you pointed out is not exclusive to sarcophogus but is the same word used for the ark of the covenant.

      God bless

    • bamboo king

      Not long ago i came across intriguing stories involving giants in the solomon islands. Very credible and sane stories. jt

  • nobody

    what happened to Parts 1 through 8 ?

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