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The Elect in Matthew 24: Jews or Gentiles?

Who are the elect that Jesus spoke of when He said “for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened”?  Who are the elect to whom “false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders…”? Finally, who are the elect He spoke of when He said “Immediately after the tribulation of those days… he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other”?  (Matt 24:22, 24, 29, 31)

The Calvinist doctrine teaches “the elect” means those who have been chosen to receive eternal life (they are saved). If “elect” = “saved” then the elect in Matthew 24 would necessarily be talking about believers in general. What we see, however, is that God repeatedly calls the Jews “the elect [ones (plural)]” in the Hebrew Scriptures and we likewise see , “the elect [ones (plural)]” in the New Testament is also a reference to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, that is, the Jews. Consequently, Jesus’ reference to the elect in Matthew 24 is not speaking of the believers at large, but specifically of ethnic Israel (who believe). This conclusion is more thoroughly demonstrated in my complete paper and video “Why God Did Not Elect Calvinists,” or watch the video here. Furthermore, the gathering of the elect in Matthew 24 is not referring to Gentile believers before the tribulation but believing Jews after the tribulation. John Calvin plainly taught that election meant: “All are not created on equal terms, but some are preordained to eternal life, others to eternal damnation and, accordingly, as each has been created for one or other of these ends, we say that he has been predestinated to life or to death.” [1] Lest we think that is wrenching Calvin out of context, Calvinist Loraine Boettner clarifies: “The Doctrine of absolute Predestination of course logically holds that some are foreordained to death as truly as others are foreordained to life.” [2] The good news, however, is that “election, elect, chosen” (and the derivatives) are terms that have nothing to do with one’s eternal destiny. Scripture does speak at length of “the elect” and “the chosen” but these terms are devoid of the Calvinistic sense of someone who has been elected to receive eternal life. Conversely, the term elect and its derivatives are not salvific in meaning but simply refer to persons or things that are chosen for a particular purpose and the purpose has nothing to do with eternal life. Once the definition of the word is established biblically, the foundation of Calvinism will be undermined and will collapse and the true identity of the elect in Matthew 24 will come into view. The word elect (Greek verb: eklegomai ἐκλέγομαι; Hebrew verb: bakhar בָּחַר) means to choose, select. The elect or chosen (as nouns or adjectives) are those people or things that have been elected, selected, or chosen for a particular purpose by someone. For example, God chose Levi to minister forever “… the LORD your God hath chosen [bakhar בָּחַר Greek LXX eklexetai εκλεξηται]…” Deut 18:5 (see also 1 Chr 15:2).  God and the people chose Saul to be the first king of Israel: “…behold the king whom you have chosen and whom ye have desired! And behold, the LORD hath set a king over you,” (1Sam 12:13). Saul’s election by God to be king had nothing to do with eternal life and his removal from being king likewise had nothing to do with eternal life. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, ​he hath also rejected thee from being king,” (1 Sam 15:23) – he was simply removed from his post. Judas is analogous to Saul in many ways because they were both elected for a purpose (not salvation, per se) yet they both forfeited their election.[3] God’s election of Messiah further demonstrates that the term elect/election is devoid of the Calvinistic concept of eternal life. “My Servant… Mine elect [בְּחִירִי bekhiri LXX: eklektos εκλεκτος] in whom My soul delighteth… (Isa 42:1, see also Isaiah 49:7). This title was used of Jesus on the cross “… ‘let Him save Himself if he be Christ, the chosen of God.’” (Luke 23:35 see also 1 Pet 2:4, 6). Jesus was unquestionably chosen, elected, predestined by God to be the Messiah but His election was not for His salvation; He was chosen by the Father to give us eternal life because he is the source of life! God also elected for Jerusalem to be His city and for His name to be there, (1 Kgs 8:44, 11:32, 36; 2 Chr 6:6; Ps 132:13). God chose the foolish things of the world to confound the wise. Jesus pointed out that the guests chose (eklegomai εκλέγομαι) the best seats, (Luke 14:8). Our conclusion from each of the examples is that election has nothing to do with predestination to eternal life. God chose priests, kings and Jerusalem for His purposes and man chose both God and idols. Again, we would be wrong to try to insert the concept of eternal life into the term election.

The Election of Israel

While election is made by God and men of people and places, there is a usage that stands out uniquely in Scripture: God’s chosen people, the elect, are the Israelites. The title “chosen/elect” is in many verses in Scripture. The use of the title “elect” to describe Israel becomes very important when we venture into the New Testament because it clears up many theological, soteriological, and eschatological issues including the identity of the elect in Matthew 24.

  1. God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself. (Deut 7:6).
  2. The LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto Himself. (Deut 14:2)
  3. O ye seed of Israel his servant, ye children of Jacob, his chosen ones! (1 Chr 16:13)
  4. The people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance. (Ps 33:12)
  5. O ye Seed of Abraham his servant, ye children of Jacob his chosen. (Ps 105:6)
  6. He brought forth his people with joy, and his chosen with gladness. (Ps 105:43)
  7. For the LORD hath chosen Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his peculiar treasure. (Ps 135:4)
  8. For Jacob my servant’s sake, and Israel mine elect… (Isa 45:4)
  9. I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob… mine elect shall inherit it. (Isa 65:9)
  10. … the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands. (Isa 65:22)

The verses above demonstrate how God has specifically called Israel, Jacob, the Seed of Abraham His chosen. Thus “the chosen” or “my chosen” and “the elect” (in the plural) refer to ethnic Israel.  This point is proven by Paul who, in a synagogue on the Sabbath day in Antioch, read from the Law and Prophets and then spoke to his fellow Jews: “Men of Israel… give audience: The God of this people Israel chose our fathers…’” (Acts 13:16, 17). Thus, the election of Israel is corroborated by Paul in the New Testament as well.

The Elect in Peter’s Epistles Are Jewish

Peter likewise uses the term elect to describe the Jews: “…to the strangers scattered throughout elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father…” (1 Pet 1:1-2) The word “scattered” (Greek diaspora διασπορά) was used to describe the scattering among the nations that God had promised to the Jews (Israel) if they would not follow Him (Lev 26:33; Deut 4:27; Neh 1:8, etc.; the LXX uses the same Greek word as the NT). James, in his epistle, could not be any clearer that the diaspora is Israel when he says: “to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad [en te diaspora. εν τη διασπορα]: greetings.” (James 1:1).Thus James and Peter were writing to Jews in the diaspora. In 1 Peter chapter two Peter describes his Jewish (believing) brethren with words used repeatedly in the Old Testament to describe the Jewish people.

Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. But ye [are] a chosen generation [note: the Greek word is genos (race) not genea (generation) see: NASB], a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light. (1 Pet 2:5, 9) “…ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people… ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests and an holy nation.” (Ex 19:5, 6)
“For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.” (Deut 7:6)
“For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people” (Deut 14:2)
For the LORD hath chosen Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his peculiar treasure.” (Ps 135:4)

Their election, however, is by no means a guarantee that they will inherit eternal life (just as Judas was elect yet foolishly rejected the invitation.) Paul corroborates this fact so clearly in 2 Timothy: “Therefore I endure all things for the elect’s sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory…” (2 Tim 2:10) Paul endured many things for the elect, the Jews, which again demonstrates election has nothing to do with salvation.

The “Few Chosen” Are Israelites

Speaking with the Pharisees in Matthew 22, Jesus compares the Kingdom of Heaven to a King who prepared a wedding feast for His Son. Those that were invited to the wedding feast were not interested in coming so the King sent His servants out calling everyone who would come. Therefore, Jesus’ statement “For many are called, but few are chosen,” (Matt 22:14; see also Matt 20:16) must be interpreted in light of who are the chosen – that is the Jews! The chosen, elect (the Jews) were the ones to whom the promise of the Messianic Age was first given.[4]However, when the bridegroom came many of them were not willing to come and therefore God the Father gave instruction for the many to be called to the feast as well as the chosen. Knowing that the elect are the Jews completely rules out any Calvinistic interpretation of the passage and unlocks the passage for us. Note that both the called and chosen still needed salvation as indicated by the man found without a wedding garment who was cast out.

The Elect in the Tribulation

We can now consistently interpret the elect in Matthew 24; they are not Gentile believers in the tribulation, but are God’s chosen and the days will be shortened for their sake. Why? Because it is specifically called the time of Jacob’s (Israel’s) trouble (Jer 30:7).  John saw in his vision how “there was a war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon…and his angels.” (Rev 12:7). Daniel received the same information about that war in which Michael fights on behalf of the Jews, “at that time Michael shall stand up, the great prince who standeth for the children of thy people [Israel]; and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation, even to that same time [reiterated by Jesus in Matt 24:21]: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.” (Dan 12:1). When we continue reading in Revelation 12 we see “the dragon … persecuted the woman which brought forth the man childand went to make war with the remnant of her seed.”(Rev 12:13, 17). Again, Satan’s The Elect in the Tribulation are the Jewswrath is against the Jews. In Daniel 7 we see the same thing; the Little Horn (Antichrist) “made war with the saints, and prevailed against them,” (Dan 7:21). So too in Revelation 13 the war is against the Jews “it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them,” (Rev 13:7). Also in the parallel passage, “he…shall wear out the saints of the most High…and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time, (Dan 7:25). Notice the saints (Jews are given into his hand for 3 ½ years (1260 days), which is the same as in Revelation 12 “the woman [Israel] fled into the wilderness, a thousand two hundred and threescore days,” (Rev 12:6).  In each of those parallel passages, the Jews are the ones under the gun. It is the time of Jacob’s trouble which is why Jesus spoke of the days needing to be shortened on behalf of the Jews, God’s elect.

Deceiving the Elect

Jesus said “false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect,” that is the Jews[5]. (Matt 24:24)  We know they will be deceived because they confirm a covenant in Daniel 9:27, and the abomination of desolation is successfully erected in a (deceptively) rebuilt temple (Matt 24:15 and Dan 11:31). (This is the covenant they make with death in Isaiah 28:18.) Two thirds of the Jews will tragically die during the tribulation and deception will be a means to accomplish it.

Gathering of the Elect

Then “immediately after the tribulation of those days … he shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other,” (Matt 24:29, 31). Jesus used the language of Isaiah 11 to describe the gathering of the elect, an obvious reference to the Jews: “he… shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth,” (Isa 11:12). The gathering of the Jews is further predicted in Isaiah 43:5, 54:7, and Zech 2:6. The gathering of the elect in Matthew 24:31 is not the church at large, but the gathering of the Jews after the tribulation. If we don’t see the pre-trib rapture in Matthew 24:31, then where do we find it? Perhaps the strongest evidence we have for a pre-trib rapture comes to us from the Hebrew Scriptures. The familiar passage in I Thessalonians 4, which speaks of the rapture, closely parallels the book of Isaiah. Both passages have the same order of events: 1) the dead rise first, 2) the living go away, hidden behind a door, 3) Jesus/God comes to punish the world. Thy dead [men] shall live, [together with] my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew [is as] the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain, (Isa 26:19-21). There is a rapture of those who believe in Jesus – for the Jew first and also for the Gentile. Thus discovering that the elect in Matthew 24:31 is not the rapture of the (Gentile) church does not invalidate the pre-trib rapture. It simply demonstrates that God has a bigger plan for the Jews, who are His elect.


In this brief overview we have seen that elect and election have nothing to do with salvation, predestined to eternal life or death, nor any Calvinistic definition. God elected priests, kings, disciples, Messiah, angels, and Jerusalem – all of which had nothing to do with being predestined to salvation. We then came to the election of Israel and saw that in no less than ten verses in the Old Testament God declared Israel to be His elect! Thus, when we turned to the New Testament we could see that elect/election/chosen never was there as a reference to being predestined to salvation. Peter wrote to believing Jews (elect); Paul endured things for the sake of the elect (the Jews). Therefore, “the elect [ones (plural)]” does not mean “saved,” but simply someone or something elected for a particular purpose. God specifically elected the Jews, among other things, to be the special guests at the marriage supper of the Lamb, and many rejected the invitation; they, like everyone, need to put on a wedding garment of salvation, to be accepted in. When the time of Jacob’s trouble occurs, Satan will focus on the Jewish people. It is for their sakes that the days will be shortened and false messiahs and prophets will come to deceive them in particular. Lastly, the gathering in Matthew 24:31 is not the rapture of the (Gentile) church; rather, Jesus will send out his angels to gather his elect, Israel, after the time of Jacob’s trouble.   All Scripture quotations are from The King James Version. Hebrew Scripture quotations are from Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia. Copyright © 1967/77, 1983 Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft Stuttgart. Used by permission. The Greek Old Testament Scriptures are from the Septuagint. New Testament Greek quotations are from the Greek New Testament according to the Byzantine Text form, edited by Maurice A. Robinson and William G. Pierpont, 2000 edition. All Scripture quotations have been retrieved using theWord Bible Software www.theword.net. All emphasis of Scripture verses is mine.

[1] Calvin Institutes of the Christian Religion 3:21:5
[2] Loraine Boettner The Reformed Doctrine of Predestination 1932 from 2000 bible study centre™ DIGITAL LIBRARY p. 104-5; For a similar statement see: James R. White, The Potter’s Freedom, Amityville, NY: Calvary Press, 2000, p. 39
[3] “Jesus answered them, ‘Have not I chosen [eklegomai ἐκλέγομαι] you twelve, and one of you is a devil?’” (John 6:70).
[4] See how Isaiah 2, 4, 11, 60-66 and more passages speak of the Messianic age in which the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob would be God’s special people.
[5] Mark’s Gospel adds “…for the elect’s sake, whom He chose…” (Mark 13:20) emphasizing those whom God chose: the Jews.

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  1. What so many Christians miss is the fact that Jesus finished it all for all . In Zechariah chapter 11 God BROKE his COVENANT with the Jews in verse 6 through verse 17 . There is no doubt about what he said ! This is not cherry picking the scripture to make a point . Why would God do such ? Because the Jews had already violated the covenant and broke from God . They were following not the Torah but now were following the vile oral Talmud . That same now written Talmud that allows pedophilia and murdering of the Gentile and that hates Jesus . Jesus had accomplished everything for all men when he died on the cross . The Law became obsolescent when Jesus said ” It Is Finished ”. The Veil of the Temple was torn from the top towards the bottom by God signifying that he was finished with the Animal Sacrifice of the Law . He supplied the Lamb as in the case where Abraham was going to sacrifice Isaac . God knew Abraham was about to obey him . From there we (man) received the Promise of Jesus to come . In Gods eyes we are the Saved and the un saved . For all Jew and Gentile comes to God the Father through the Lord Jesus . There is but one way . So why would Jesus come Jews only or Gentiles only > Ask yourself one question ; just how many times does Jesus come in the clouds ? Isn’t that exactly what the rapture is described as ? Don’t the Jews hate Jesus ? And when they love Jesus aren’t they just Christians like us ?

  2. You have based your analysis and conclusions on a false premise……

    The tribes have been scattered throughout the world for scores of generations. During this time their seed has most certainly entered the bloodline of every living gentile by now (even though we do not know which tribe we descend from). This was God”s promise that the seed would number as the sands of the sea and the stars of the sky. Ezekiel ch 47 is a beautiful description of this (kjv). I you read it you may understand that we are all of the seed and referred to as the strangers.

    You need to consider at this point in time, there we are all of the seed with equal inheritance rights. We are them through the seed and this is what was meant by ” the fullness of the gentiles”. You may also want to reread Matt ch 26 vs 26 -29 with this in mind/

    May God bless

  3. Gentiles were still “dogs” at the time of Matthew 24 and remained off limits 1/3 of the way through Acts. Peter was reluctant to go see a Gentile even though God ordered him to do so. Peter and his associates were stunned when these “dogs” began speaking in tongues, clear evidence they were saved, even before Peter had gotten to the point of his sermon. The other believing Jews later called Peter on the carpet for it, demanding to know why he went to see this “dog.”

    Why this reluctance toward Gentiles? Because Christ had told His disciples to go to the house of Israel first, then Judea and Samaria. To go to a Gentile NOW, before Israel was even close to being redeemed, was out of the order Christ told them to expect (this was in advance of the revelation of the mystery to Paul, which Peter only learned of years later).

    Matthew 24 is referring to the future redeemed Jewish remnant. For it to have meant Gentiles would have been absolutely meaningless to everyone to whom Christ spoke (who were Jews, believers or not).

    • You evidently have no concept of who Christ was and why he came . The putrid Talmud was the whole direction for Judaism during the time of Jesus . God had been abandoned by the Jews who substituted the edicts of the Rabbis as the true Faith .The Talmud which replaced the Torah as the basis of the Judaic faith later became a written Talmud from an Oral Talmud . In the Talmud the Gentile was relegated as cattle or dogs and not by Gods word . In that Talmud the Rabbi could have sex with infant children and the Jew could cause the death of the Gentile , steal from the Gentile or basically anything they wanted without penalty . The Islamic Koran and the Jewish Talmud are very similar . They share some concepts . The Pharisees whom Jesus claimed were not Jews were likely Edomites put in power by an Edomite cousin called Herod . God broke his covenant with the Jews after they broke it by abandoning him . Anybody who knows about Jesus our Lord and Savior knows that the only way to God is through Jesus for even the Jew . The most of the Jews today are Ashkenazi Jews which were just forced converts from 740 Khazaria . That was forced on them by neighboring countries to help change a country of barbarians to another religion instead of the worship of Molech , and by threat of war .

  4. Jay--Woodland Park, CO

    A perspective: All Scriptures testify that Abraham’s seed, through the promised Isaac and Jacob, are innumerable and immeasurable as the sand of the sea. Jewish seed, however, is counted and the bloodline documented. However, the ten tribes of Israel are lost–that which the Messiah came to seek and to save through the spirit. All Scriptures support this perspective but perhaps none explains it more clearly than Amos 9:9 in that the house of Israel was “sifted” into the nations, so that but by the spirit of God, they are unidentifiable (innumerable) and indistinguishable (immeasurable) among the Gentiles.

    • What you say is very important, who are actually the jews, or more correct the israelites who will be persecuted? I believe God can distinguish them. And Douglas Hamp is also correct of course, you do not get saved by the bloodline, but only by receiving Jesus Christ as saviour. There are very few real jews (Sefardi left today,even in Israel. 95% are Ashkenazis, who are proselytes and khazars (Arthur Koestler, The Thirteenth Tribe). Their elite are actually occultists, and Israel is a secular state, obviously not a work of God (but by Zionists like the occultists of the Rothschild’s). Maybe more of a smokescreen so that we don’t see what is happening in our churches and our own countries..

      The question is what happened to the ten tribes in the north after they emigrated from captivity of the assyrian kingdom. History shows they imigrated west/northwest, and actually are the forfathers of white people in Europe, especially northern Europe/Britain, and later USA.. It is quite obvious to me that this is also where Antichrist will arise. Again..

      I believe like Luther that all the popes been antichrists. Just look at how the Vatican has persecuted and killed millions of christians up through history.. and they have not withdrawn the curse of the protestants yet.. So the heirs of the roman empire, the roman catholic church wants to bring the roman empire back to its glorious days. And today we can see how all presidents and ministers of the western world, included Obama, kneels before the pope.

  5. Jay--Woodland Park, CO

    Others seem to be addressing this matter, but here is what was going to be my question: Aren’t the Jews simply from one tribe–Judah, perhaps with confusion also about the tribe of Benjamin? It doesn’t seem right to declare that the elect are only Jews.

    • I have been using Jew to mean the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. I am not using in a limited tribe of Judah only sense. I think Paul makes that clear when he talks about them being enemies for your sake but beloved for the sake of the fathers (Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Blessings

      • Ancient Israel was the elect under the law while the true Israel of God, the church, is the elect under grace. The shadows of the law were fulfilled by the substance of Christ but the election of the law did not receive their own messiah. Branches were broken off because of this unbelief and the gentiles grafted in. Those of the law are carnal while those of grace Are spiritual. The carnal Jew of the law is not an heir to the promises possessed by the spiritual Jews, the church. There are two of all things; the carnal shadow and the spiritual reality. Ancient Israel was the shadow and the church the reality. Two types of people descended from Abraham; those of the law and those of faith but only those of faith are of Abraham and heirs to the promise. The elect, the 144,000 are not carnal Jews but spiritual Christians/Jews, the church. The carnal people of the shadow nation will not be saved until after Jesus returns to end the tribulation and prevent their total destruction. Modern day Judaism is polluted with Babylon mysteries contained in the talmud and zohar that pervert the torah God gave them and to which Jesus was strongly opposed. The Jews learned these things while 70 years in Babylon and yet practice them today.

        • Why have there been no comments on what was written above? Have you nothing to say? I hope you are thinking about it.

        • Lee you are spot on but if people accept the elect as saved chosen christians, its debunks the pre trib rapture theory, thats why there is no replies

  6. Doug,

    I think you are a wonderful teacher, servant and blessing from God. You do a wonderful job of proclaiming the truth of scripture and the Gospel. I don’t understand why you don’t accept the doctrine of election. You are to well versed in scripture not to understand election. No one chooses God or can choose their own salvation. No one can make themselves believe anything. Belief is a result. Trust, a better term, is based on the actions of the subject. it isn’t something we choose to do it’s given to us as a gift from the Father. I’m not going to quote a bunch of scripture to you because I know you’re already of aware of all the scripture that teaches salvation is from God and not by the will of man.

    The elect are the ones God has chosen to give to His Son. They come out of every nation and ethnic group. The original Israelites were chosen as God’s people not to be the final completion of His plan but to be used to bring the Messiah and show the world (and the heavenly beings) the mystery of God’s plan. A remnant will be saved, but they’ll be saved by the gift of God’s grace in that he will give them faith in Christ. That remnant of Israel will also be just a remnant of God’s elect.

    Arminianism is a deception that feeds off of pride and the self-righteousness of man. God made it clear in Isaiah what he thought of man’s righteousness.

    Calvinism is a deception that leads one away from the true understanding of God’s forgiveness.

    Both deception feed off of each other, kind of like political parties. The key is 1 John 2:2. The key is the understanding of forgiveness.

    Christ died for the sins of the entire world, for those who love and those who hate him. This wasn’t so that everybody would have a chance to be saved, who was/is saved was predetermined at the foundation of the world. He died for all the sins of the world so that those who are his sheep can have the power to forgive sin on earth. The greek word translated into forgive means to “cast away”. In paying the debt for all sin he gave us the right to cast away sins done to us, the ability to forgive. We don’t have this right except through Christ and what he did on the cross. The fruit of sin is death, in giving us the ability to cast away sin he gave us the power over death. If we couldn’t forgive the sins committed against us we would live our life as monsters in death. Of course this does not take away from the fact that he also paid for the sins we commit. So that we are now justified, being sanctified and will be glorified in Christ.

    I just ask that you take another look at salvation through God’s sovereign Election.

    There’s is something we all choose. We all choose to sin.

      • He only made a covenant with the house of Israel and the house of judeah.
        The scripture are clear!
        First the Jews then the gentile.
        Which makes sense the tribe of Israel was disperse to different nation time to gather the children of israel.

      • Multiple times gentiles are referred to as the elect.

        Col_3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

        written to the Colossians, gentiles

        Rom 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
        Rom 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
        Rom 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth.
        Rom 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
        Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
        written to the believers at Rome
        Can only jews claim those verses? Who sall lay any thing to the charge of ? If God be for us who can be against us?

        1Th_1:4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

        Flat out telling the Thessalonians they are Elect!

        Rom_11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

        The remenant is Elect not the whole race, election by grace not race?

        Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

        So not all are elect?

        I dont mean this in a mean or condescending way just posting thoughts.
        I dont wish to argue or start strife, its always dangerous believers talking doctrine are flesh gets going

  7. Rev 2:9 and 3:9.

  8. I notice on some Christian sites the mere mention of anything less than adoration for “the Chosen Ones” gets you labeled a

    Troll , accused of being sent “by the enemy”, and eventually banned!

    (Seriously,what does that say about an individual’s belief if the only way to confront opposing viewpoints is to silence them?

    Looks cowardly to me.)

    When looking for a true “enemy”,one ought to investigate who is Cyrus Scofield and his “Secret Six”!

    Anyhow,good to see these opposing viewpoints allowed to remain.

    And by the way,there is no shame in admitting this Dispensationalist teaching is easy to be fooled by. From what I understand,it is taught in schools such as Moody’s and Dallas Theological Seminary among others,and most mainstream preachers teach it,too.

    It had me for a while,and though I felt like a fool for spreading it’s message,it was a humbling experience and taught me to be ever more careful about what I do believe.

  9. The elect are christians. Paul was a jew but counted himself as a christian. If moses were alive today he would call himself a christian. “jews” are not the elect. Now if that “jew” is a christian and believes in Jesus then he is part of the elect. The antichrist is called the antichrist, not the antijew. the new testament makes it abundantly clear the saved are those who put faith in jesus not a bloodline.

    • The thing about the Jews is that they are only 2/12 of Israel. From the House of Judah hence “Jewish.” All of the other tribes are lost among the Gentiles and are scattered until the time of restoration. The House of Judah came back to Israel after the Babylonian captivity. The House of Israel never came back. They were divorced by Yahweh for their harlotry, and thus the prophecy that Ephraim would become the fullness of the Gentiles would be fulfilled. It all goes back to the blessing of Ephraim and Manasseh in the book of Genesis. So the Israelis in Israel right now are only 2 of the twelve tribes. The rest are scattered among us. I personally do not believe in the pre trib rapture either, since all Scriptures seem to indicate that we will be in the chambers during the 7 bowls of wrath during the 10 days of awe between the Feast of Trumpets and Day of Atonement after the Day of The Lord. Plus Yahushua (Jesus) said that he will come with His holy angels, not believers. I know of a few Scriptures where we see it said the saints will be with Him, but since we meet Him in the air we cannot be gone before the Great Tribulation. Not only that Paul says at the LAST trumpet. Since the final trumpet in Revelation signals Christ’s reign, and in II Thessalonians it says the Antichrist is revealed first, then it cannot be before. The Elect are Israel but not in the sense of Jews only.

  10. Doug, I think the Scriptures make it plain that the Jews are of the Tribe of Judah, and that two of the twelve tribes ended up being the House of Judah. So that means the 10 Tribes that are left are scattered among the Gentiles, because after the captivity the House of Judah returned, and the House of Israel did not come back. The other 10 tribes were known as the House of Israel. Solomon screwed up. They were given a certificate of divorce by Yahweh, and scattered among the Gentiles. So one purpose of Christ was to re-unite the Two Houses of Israel. Because according to the Torah, divorce is final as long as the husband is alive, Yahweh would have to come in the flesh and die and rise again in order to reunite them for the law to hold true. Now, certainly anyone who honestly desires the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who follow the Lamb can be saved, so I’m not saying that we have to be genetically Israel to be saved. I pray that you look into this, because the Gospel takes on a whole new depth when you understand this. Yah bless, Bryan

    • Whoops, I also meant to say that if a divorce happens then it is an abomination for them to come back together. Therefore, the cross solved this dilemma as well. He is calling us back to Him. Doug, have you studied the fullness of the Gentiles prophecy? Or the Two Houses of Israel? What do you think about keeping the Torah?


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