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The Debate over the End: Paul Viggiano and Douglas Hamp Over How the World Ends

The Debate over the End: Paul Viggiano and Douglas Hamp over how the world ends from Branch Of Hope Church on Vimeo.

The Debate over the End: Pastor Paul Viggiano and Pastor Douglas Hamp over how the World Ends, with Brian Godawa. (branchofhope.org)

The End of the World has been a fascinating area of biblical study for Millennia. Recorded live at the, “It’s the End of the World as We Know It Conference” at Branch of Hope Orthodox Presbyterian Church in Torrance, CA, Pastor Paul Viggiano (Historic Post-Millennial) a Presbyterian and Pastor Douglas Hamp (Dispensational Pre-Millennial) of Calvary Chapel discuss in a rich and irenic fashion what the Bible says about how the world ends.

This is easily the most interesting debate of it’s kind in recent years and one of the most approachable for those seeking to understand this intensely interesting and confusing area of Christian concern.

Moderated by Brian Godawa before an audience of hundreds we’re sure you’ll enjoy this earnest discussion.

Premillennialism vs Postmillennialism Debate Summary

The Premillennialism vs Post-millennialism debate went very well! I enjoyed sparring with Pastor Paul Vaggiano. He was very kind and our debate was extremely civil and full of brotherly love. I could tell that the audience thoroughly enjoyed the event. Who won? Well, that is always a matter of perspective. I will let those who were there decide on that issue. Nevertheless, I believe that I offered a strong biblical case as to why numbers, days, and years ought to be interpreted literally. Furthermore, I demonstrated that there are many things such as the death of every living creature in the sea, every island and every mountain moving out of its place as things that clearly have not happened and certainly did not happen in 70 AD.

The video should be ready by approximately Feb 12th.

“You Are Beaten, Yeshua” (Excerpt from the Millennium Chronicles)

“Today is the day we wipe the Hebrews off the map once and for all!”[i] Therion said confidently with the armies of the entire planet standing behind him ready to attack Jerusalem.[ii] There were millions and millions that stood with him that could also fight against Yeshua’s returning army if need be. Additionally, Therion commanded the two hundred million horsemen that came out of the Abyss.[iii]

The solar flare which had scorched part of the earth[iv] some time ago had made most of the conventional, high-tech weapons of the day inoperable, therefore they had converted every conceivable instrument into some kind of weapon; plowshares had been beaten into swords, ​​​​​​and pruning hooks into spears and horses now served as their transportation![v]

With all the might of the world and the kingdom of Lucifer gathered with him at his disposal, Therion was eager to desecrate and destroy what he believed was the last remnant of the Hebrews so that he and his forces could set their eye upon Jerusalem.[vi] Lucifer was incensed against the Hebrews because their existence was a direct threat to his kingdom.[vii] Once it was no more, Adonai would never be able to establish his kingdom on the earth.

“You are beaten, Yeshua!” Therion boasted, gazing beyond the veil toward the upper City of Jerusalem, raising his hands and then flicking them back as if daring Adonai to respond.[viii] “Our struggle, our ‘holy war’ with you ends here and ends today! Our siege against your beloved lower City of Jerusalem has prevailed and it has fallen into our hands. Our soldiers, who took my mark containing my father’s image,[ix] have ravished the women of this city! We have taken half of the residents of this city hostage and are leading them into exile where they shall take my mark or lose their heads.[x] Your people, your elect, your heritage is now mine! You have failed to protect them. You failed to keep your word![xi] Can’t you hear the nations mocking you, saying ‘where is their King?’”[xii] he said again, shaking his hands toward Adonai. “Look, all of the nations of the earth are assembled against your chosen City and we have defiled her! This City shall become a trash heap and the bodies of your elect shall be its refuse![xiii]

“You have accomplished nothing by pouring out your life-force to save these people. My father was right to revolt against your foolish idea of the mighty serving the weak. You surrendered yourself for the world[xiv] and now the whole world is following me! They realize that my father is worthy of reverence because he is strong and now they revere me! Can you not hear them saying, ‘who is like Therion’ and ‘who is able to make war with him?’[xv] You should have accepted my father’s offer of all the kingdoms of the world when you had the chance.[xvi] Look, he has given me his power, his throne, and great authority. I have all authority over every tribe, tongue, and nation and all who dwell on the earth worship me.[xvii] Even your beloved elect, the Hebrews, are in my hand and I am overcoming them completely and shattering their power.[xviii] I am doing as I please and there is none who can withstand me or make war against me.[xix] I have destroyed the weak and the mighty alike[xx] and soon even your people, the Hebrews, shall be no more!

“I defy you, O Ancient One! Your authority is broken and you are a liar! Now the world shall know the truth about you and all who are with you. You are weak and cowardly. Your sacrifice has amounted to nothing and is completely undone.[xxi] The name of Adonai is a rubble heap and any who would run to it will be destroyed![xxii] Yeshua does not keep his promises; your word is a sham, bogus, phony!” Therion raged. “All who trust in you are put to shame.[xxiii]

“You have allowed your people to be hemmed in on every side. They are now trapped like birds in a cage with my forces ready to decimate them. We shall do what the ancient king of Egypt was not able to do!” He turned to Oracle, “This is our moment of great victory. Send in the hybrids to tear them limb from limb and let their blood splatter on every side.”



[i] Ps 83:4

[ii] Joel 3:9

[iii] Rev 9:16-17; Dan 8:12

[iv] Rev 16:8-9

[v] Joel 3:9-11

[vi] Mic 4:11

[vii] Ps 83:3

[viii] Rev 13:6

[ix] Gen 3:15; 6:4

[x] Zech 14:2; Dan 7:21, 25; Rev 20:4

[xi] Deut 7:6; 9:26; 1Kgs 8:51

[xii] Joel 2:17

[xiii] Mic 4:11

[xiv] John 3:16

[xv] Rev 13:3, 4

[xvi] Mat 4:8, 9

[xvii] Rev 13:2,7, 8

[xviii] Dan 7:25; 12:7 Rev 13:7

[xix] Dan 11:36

[xx] Dan 8:24

[xxi] Dan 7:8; Rev 13:5, 6

[xxii] Prov 18:10

[xxiii] Ps 138:2; 22:5

The Certain Coming of Yeshua (Excerpt from The Millennium Chronicles)

“He is right,” one of the Knesset members agreed. “His coming is certain. He will make the weak among us like David and the mighty among us will be like the Angel of Adonai.[i] This is now the time when we will see Yeshua as a man of war who will destroy our enemies. We have not believed our King in the past. Today we will trust. We must, for there is no other way if we desire to live. The King has struck our enemies in the past and he fought against the Nephilim of old whose height was like the cedars and whose strength was like the oaks.[ii] He will fight for us today just like he fought for us in Egypt. He will make a way where there seems to be no way. Not one of us will die if we go now. We must hurry to the valley so that we may see the victory.”

“Then it is agreed, we will all meet in the valley and there await Yeshua who will rescue us,” Caleb said, opening the door expectant of what Yeshua would do but still slightly apprehensive as he thought of the horrors that awaited them in the darkness.



[i] Zech 12:8

[ii] Amos 2:9

Seeing the Suffering the Servant – (Excerpt from The Millennium Chronicles)

The men were all staring at the floor coming to grips with the implications of the evidence.

Many minutes passed.

“There was nothing beautiful or majestic about his appearance,” one of the men finally said breaking the silence. “There was nothing to attract us to him. He was even despised and rejected just as we are.”

“A man of sorrows,” Caleb’s mother added.

“Very familiar with suffering,” another interjected, “and just like we are, like one from whom people hide their faces.”

“Yes it’s true; we despised him,” Reu’el pined.

“And we did not value him,”[i] another said. Then there was silence for several minutes.

Caleb looked around and could see tears beginning to well up in the eyes of all the men as the truth began to set in.

“All these centuries,” Reu’el continued choking up a bit, “we turned our backs on him and looked the other way.”[ii] No one said a word as the gravity of the realization that the one they had rejected was the only one that could save them now fully sank in.

“Yet it was our weaknesses he carried!” they all mouthed the painful words that began bringing them healing and restoration. “It was our sorrowsthat weighed him down.”

“We wandered away like sheep!” yet another Knesset member admitted candidly. “We have left Adonai’s ways to follow our own. Yet Adonai laid on him all of our rebellion and treason.”[iii]

“We…we thought,” one of the elders stuttered over his words, “thought his troubles were a punishment from Adonai for his own evil!” He said while choking on his words, dumbstruck how Yeshua had been oppressed and treated harshly. “Like a lamb led to the slaughter he didn’t say anything as they led him away to his death.”[iv]

“True. But actually he was crushed for our evil,” Caleb’s father acknowledged. “He was beaten that we might have peace.”

“He was whipped,” Sha’ul said overcome with grief when he finally realized that Yeshua had given up his life-force for his and his people’s wrongdoing, suffering for their violations though he had done no wrong, and he never deceived anyone, yet died like a criminal and was put in a rich man’s grave,[v] “– and yet we are healed!” They all looked around the room understanding the conclusion they had come to. They were overcome in a wave of emotion. Hot tears rolled down the cheeks of the men. The women too were crying as they also meditated on their stance toward their gentle deliverer.

“It is like a veil has been lifted from our eyes,” Reu’el said, “and now we can see that it was Adonai’s good plan to crush Yeshua and fill him with grief. Yet when Yeshua saw all that was accomplished by his anguish, he was satisfied, because of the joy set before him.”[vi] The gravity of having rejected the Promised One, the seed of the woman, overwhelmed them; for the first time the leadership of the Hebrews had acknowledged their offense of rejecting the one sent to deliver them.

A gentle wind suddenly blew a fragrance more delightful than roses into the room. “Yet even now,” they heard a faint, breathy whisper say, “Turn back to me with your whole heart. Turn back to me your King for I am gracious and compassionate, slow to become angry, overflowing in kindness.”[vii] Adonai was infusing them with the desire to seek his face with all of their hearts, to discover his great power so that they would petition him as they looked to him, the one whom they had pierced.

Caleb looked around the room. Everyone was weeping bitterly just like they would mourn at the death of an only child! Each person was lamenting alone in profound sorrow, terribly broken and agonizing over the centuries of rejecting their Promised One[viii] – the very one who loved them more than any other. Their hearts were broken with contrition[ix] as they desperately called out to the one they had despised. Their hearts were vexed realizing all the misery that might have been avoided if they had embraced him sooner. They realized that Adonai had consequently given Yeshua the honors of one who is mighty and great, because he exposed himself to death, had been counted among those who were doers of wickedness and had born the wrongdoing of many and interceded for wrongdoers.[x] Their tears continued to flow for a very long time as they realized that the one that they had rejected was the one who was still waiting for them to welcome him back.



[i] Isa 53:3

[ii] Isa 53:2, 3

[iii] Isa 53:4-6

[iv] Isa 53:7-9

[v] Isa 53:8, 9

[vi] Heb 12:2

[vii] Joel 2:13

[viii] Zech 12:10, 12

[ix] Isa 66:2

[x] Isa 53:10-12

The Great Liberator Speaks! (Excerpt from The Millennium Chronicles) [repost]

“My noble citizens, because you value freedom, I implore you to listen carefully to the words of the Great Liberator.” With that, Prince Yaván stepped to the back of the platform. His words were already sinking in and taking effect, like venom.
Lucifer came to the front of the platform and looked out at the people, gauging their response. “They are ready to be harvested,” he communicated Millennium Chronicles Thumbnailtelepathically to Prince Yaván. “You have prepared them well.”
Lucifer stood silent, letting the anticipation of his words build. The crowd stood mesmerized by his stunning glory and apparent strength. It seemed obvious that their Liberator had come.
“Tell us how to be free!” someone from the crowd finally shouted out. The villagers roared with enthusiasm. Ben was awestruck by the shining ones and the excitement of the crowd.
“Shortly after the creation of your race,” Lucifer began methodically, “I realized that Adonai had proposed,” he paused briefly, “an…unbalanced constitution. He required that the older should serve the younger, the stronger should serve the weaker, that you must love your enemy, the first had to be last and the last first, and he who would be the greatest had to be the servant of all.”
“I have fought since the beginning to restore balance to the cosmos. Adonai created me first, as the greatest, wisest, and most glorious of all of his creatures. I have been fighting for your freedom ever since.”
“That which Adonai advocates is upside down. However, since I was able to grasp the concept, I have no fear that you, lovers of wisdom, like your forefathers before you, will be able to grasp it, as well.” Lucifer smirked inwardly at his cunning tongue.

– From the Millennium Chronicles

The Great Liberator Speaks! (Excerpt from The Millennium Chronicles)

“My noble citizens, because you value freedom, I implore you to listen carefully to the words of the Great Liberator.” With that, Prince Yaván stepped to the back of the platform. His words were already sinking in and taking effect, like venom.
Lucifer came to the front of the platform and looked out at the people, gauging their response. “They are ready to be harvested,” he communicated Millennium Chronicles Thumbnailtelepathically to Prince Yaván. “You have prepared them well.”
Lucifer stood silent, letting the anticipation of his words build. The crowd stood mesmerized by his stunning glory and apparent strength. It seemed obvious that their Liberator had come.
“Tell us how to be free!” someone from the crowd finally shouted out. The villagers roared with enthusiasm. Ben was awestruck by the shining ones and the excitement of the crowd.
“Shortly after the creation of your race,” Lucifer began methodically, “I realized that Adonai had proposed,” he paused briefly, “an…unbalanced constitution. He required that the older should serve the younger, the stronger should serve the weaker, that you must love your enemy, the first had to be last and the last first, and he who would be the greatest had to be the servant of all.”
“I have fought since the beginning to restore balance to the cosmos. Adonai created me first, as the greatest, wisest, and most glorious of all of his creatures. I have been fighting for your freedom ever since.”
“That which Adonai advocates is upside down. However, since I was able to grasp the concept, I have no fear that you, lovers of wisdom, like your forefathers before you, will be able to grasp it, as well.” Lucifer smirked inwardly at his cunning tongue.

– From the Millennium Chronicles