Is Original Sin a Corrupting of Genetic Information?

Question:  OK, I read Corrupting The Image and listened to this segment.  I still don’t get it.  If Jesus was a product of the Holy Spirit providing DNA + Mary providing her DNA, that would make Jesus a hybrid, that is, half God and half human.  HUH?  Satan mixes his seed with a human creating a hybrid: demonic and human = Nephilim.  That I understand.   How does the perfect Jesus virgin birth reconcile with Luke 1.35?  “The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee (that’s 2 persons of the trinity there), therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.”  You said it yourself – errors in genetic code from the Fall are passed to ALL decendents (blessed as she was, that would still include Mary); therefore, if Jesus was perfect and without sin, Mary could not have donated half His genetic code.  Unless you’re trying to tell me that Mary/females have perfect DNA.   Jesus was not a God/man hybrid.  So – where am I missing it?  I will look for your response.  Thanks. – Sally

Hi Sally, That is a very fair question indeed. We know from Scripture that genetically speaking that Jesus was of his mother Mary and

Genetics of the Antichrist

Genetics of the Antichrist

hence genetically connected to (from the seed of) Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Judah, David and ultimately Adam and Eve. However, Jesus was and is still 100% God because He is pre-existent and his “spirit” / “info” came into flesh. I discuss that in my chapter on the genetics of the incarnation. I don’t pretend to fully understand that, but we can at least get a good idea of what happened. Part of the key to understanding the seed issue is that DNA is a storage system for information. What we cannot see when looking at a strand of DNA is the information that it contains. We can decode it just like we can with computers, but information itself is a non-material entity, according to Dr Werner Gitt (again, see my chapter on the genetics of the incarnation). Once we understand the information is non-material, then we begin to see the connection between the spiritual world and our physical world.

In that chapter on the genetics of the incarnation, I also talk about the Y chromosome that was passed from Adam to all of his male descendants. I and every guy on the planet has a copy (virtually identical) to Adam’s. What did Jesus not have? Adam’s Y chromosome! Because sin came through man (not woman) then we need to look for what was passed through men and not women – the Y chromosome. Women do not get off scot-free, however, because Eve was taken out of Adam. That is to say that her genetics came out of his. When he became corrupt so did she. She dies just like Adam. So, concerning Jesus: we know that he was subject to fatigue, hunger, death and yet also was able to walk on water and transfigure. It appears that his pre-resurrection body was the template of the new body but still subject to dangers (like the cross) and his post-resurrection body was no longer subject to such things. Therefore, I would conclude that by sharing the autosomes of Adam and Eve he was subject to our weaknesses but he did not inherit the Y chromosome which was so deleterious that a new 2nd-Adam-Y-chromosome is needed.
Here is an excerpt from that chapter:

This means that whatever information was encoded in Adam’s Y chromosome was passed on unchanged (virtually) to all of his descendants including all of us men alive today! However, if the information in the Y chromosome were faulty, then it would mean that all of his descendants (including us) would also have a faulty code. Discovering the exact make-up of the Y chromosome when Adam was first created is impossible for us to do, however, its current state may tell us something about the fall. The Y chromosome may in fact be a record of an event in the life of our original father. Bradman and Thomas suggest that the Y chromosome contains “a record of an event” [xvi] in the life the man who passed on the current Y chromosome. However, because Bradman and Thomas are committed to the evolutionary paradigm they believe the event “had no effect on the life of the man in whom the change occurred nor, indeed, on the life of his descendants,” (emphasis mine). [xvii] Is it possible that the recorded event is not something that had “little or no effect,” but is in some way the record of the genetic fall of our first father? Thus Adam not only died spiritually by virtue of losing the Holy Spirit, but his genetic information (as recorded specifically in the Y chromosome) was corrupted. God stated that in the day that Adam ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil he would die (Genesis 2:17).

Death, it appears, entered into Adam’s Y chromosome (in some way unique and different than the X) that very moment causing him to go from being genetically perfect to having serious errors in his code that would eventually cause a “crash”. Occasionally people who use computers will experience a scenario where the operating system experiences a “fatal crash”. The crash occurs because there is some conflict in the code of the program. Though the program may be able to sustain data loss for a short period, if uncorrected, the program will eventually crash. In Adam’s case, that crash took 930 years, but he did eventually experience a complete shutdown.

If that is correct, then the Y chromosome (and all of his chromosomes) must have been complete and whole before Adam fell into sin. We know that he was free from all imperfections because God created him and declared him to be good and because death entered into the world via Adam’s sin. Yet, the Y chromosome seems to contain something so deleterious that our savior could not have shared it. After all, every copy of the Y chromosome (that is, every male descendant of Adam) would necessarily have the same genetic flaw that would also lead to the ultimate crash. In order to save mankind on a genetic level, a new Y chromosome would need to be provided. Furthermore, through the disobedience of Adam all of creation was made subject to corruption as Paul states in Romans 8.

For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; because the creation itself also will bedelivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body, (Romans 8:19-23).

Creation of Dimensions and Angels

When God says in the beginning He created the Heavens and the Earth, could He have just been talking about our heavens that include the stars and sky and the beginning of our dimension? He never addresses anything about angels or sons of God or His throne or His heaven or anything in His realm when talking about the creation in Genesis that I remember, so could He have already created His Heaven and the angels etc before that and just chose to tell us the story about the creation and beginning of our world and dimension since He left all of that out. It does say the morning stars sang together and the sons of God shouted for joy when the foundations of the earth were laid in Job . I’m just wondering why we have to believe that the creation of the realm where God dwells and it’s inhabitants have to be included at the same time as the creation in Genesis when none of it is mentioned as the story is told. I have been a christian my whole life and just never thought that God’s realm was created at the same time as our realm because I don’t remember it being talked about in the bible. Maybe I’m missing verses that would dispute this. I look forward to your reply when you can get to it. Thanks again!

– Jon

The Bible does not articulate when God created the angels like it does with man. However, we can piece together some clues  from the book of Job 38 where we read:

“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell [Me,] if you have understanding. (Job 38:4)
Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? (Job 38:5)
To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, (Job 38:6)
When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy? (Job 38:7)
“Or [who] shut in the sea with doors, When it burst forth [and] issued from the womb; (Job 38:8)
When I made the clouds its garment, And thick darkness its swaddling band; (Job 38:9)
When I fixed My limit for it, And set bars and doors; (Job 38:10)

 

He stretched a line upon it - the line over the earth between day and night

He stretched a line upon it

Notice that the earth is already up to day day two – we know this because the line has been stretched out upon it. The line was pointed out to me, by a brother (whose name I forget), to be the place where day and night meet on the earth as seen from space – it literally is a line passing over it.

Therefore, the angels appear to have been there at least on day two.  But were they there before that? This next part requires several verses to come to an understanding – I will give an abbreviated answer here but many of the proofs are discussed in my course on the Messianic Age which you can listen to here.

There is a currently a veil between the heavenly domain/realm and the earthly. We learn this from Isaiah 25:7 which states that the veil, which covers all nations, is going to be removed

And He will destroy on this mountain The surface of the covering cast over all people, And the veil that is spread over all nations. (Isa 25:7)
He will swallow up death forever, And the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from all faces; The rebuke of His people He will take away from all the earth; For the LORD has spoken. (Isa 25:8)

Isaiah also says in chapter 64:1 oh that you would rend the heavens and come down. We hear of the sky receding like a scroll in Isaia 34 and Revelation 6. The prophets also saw the heavens open on occasion (Ezekiel 1, Revelation 4, 19). Stephen also saw the heavens open when he was being stoned (Acts 7).

We also know that Satan was in Eden, the garden of God, which was associated with the mountain of God (Ezekiel 28:12-18). That mountain is the same mountain that we read about in Isaiah 14 (which Satan attempted to climb and sit upon) and it is also the same that is spoken of in Hebrews 12:22

But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, (Heb 12:22)

The mountain of God is in fact the heavenly Jerusalem according to this verse.

Therefore, the abode of God was created when He created everything else and also that abode was in this domain/dimension before the fall. God walked in the cool of the evening in the Garden of Eden which is the same place that Satan was – and again, the mountain of God was located at the same place.  This means that God’s abode and man’s were in the same dimension and only split after the sentencing and casting out from the Garden with the way blocked to the tree of life. In other words, the casting out was not simply a spacial removal but a dimensional removal. The spiritual dimension was divorced from the natural/physical at that point and those two will be recombined when the New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven and remains on the earth forever.

With all that in view we see that before the creation of the heavens and earth there was only God who existed in and of His own dimension. There was no other space out there, no black emptiness, no void – it was just God. There was only light for even darkness is something that He created (Isaiah 45:7). We also conclude that the traditional view that we have in which God’s abode in “heaven” has always been the original intent is wrong. God’s original intent was to dwell with His creatures on the earth! What we understand to be “heaven” in the Scriptures is in fact the Holy Mountain/Heavenly Jerusalem – which comes down to the earth in the age to come.  So we conclude that only God existed before Genesis 1:1. The current separation of God’s domain from man’s is only a temporary condition which was not in place when God declared everything to be very good. As for the angels, they were therefore created after the heavens and earth of Genesis 1:1 and were dwelling in the same domain as man until the separation of the two.

– Doug

 

The Battle in the Spiritual Realm

This is a list of the verses that speak of the current and future battle that is raging in the spiritual dimension.

The Wicked One

  • But with righteousness He shall judge the poor, And decide with equity for the meek of the earth; He shall strike the earth with the rod of His mouth, And with the breath of His lips He shall slay the wicked [“the wicked one” rasha רָשָֽׁע], (Isaiah 11:4).
  • The LORD has made all for Himself, Yes, even the wicked [“the wicked one” rasha רָ֝שָׁ֗ע] for the day of doom, (Proverbs 16:4).

The Defeat of the Host / Principalities

  • For the indignation of the LORD [is] against all nations, And [His] fury against all their armies; He has utterly destroyed them, He has given them over to the slaughter. Also their slain shall be thrown out; Their stench shall rise from their corpses, And the mountains shall be melted with their blood. All the host of heaven shall be dissolved, And the heavens shall be rolled up like a scroll; All their host shall fall down As the leaf falls from the vine, And as [fruit] falling from a fig tree. “For My sword shall be bathed in heaven; Indeed it shall come down on Edom, And on the people of My curse, for judgment, (Isaiah 34:2-5).
  • But the LORD [is] the true God; He [is] the living God and the everlasting King. At His wrath the earth will tremble, And the nations will not be able to endure His indignation. Thus you shall say to them: “The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth shall perish from the earth and from under these heavens,” (Jeremiah 10:10-11).
  • Then the kingdom and dominion, And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven, Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High. His kingdom [is] an everlasting kingdom, And all dominions shall serve and obey Him,’ (Daniel 7:27).

The LORD [will be] awesome to them, For He will reduce to nothing all the gods of the earth, (Zephaniah 2:11a).

  • Then [comes] the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. The last enemy [that] will be destroyed [is] death, (1 Corinthians 15:24-26).
  • For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light, (2 Corinthians 11:13-14).
  • Far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come, (Ephesians 1:21).
  • and to make all see what [is] the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ; to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly [places,] (Ephesians 3:9-10).
  • For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him, (Colossians 1:16).
  • Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it, (Colossians 2:15).
  • who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him, (1 Peter 3:22).
  • And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs [coming] out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, [which] go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty, (Revelation 16:13-14).
  • The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast. These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast. These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those [who are] with Him [are] called, chosen, and faithful,” (Revelation 17:12-14).

The Principalities and the Host on High Cast into the Pit

  • He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is [the] Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while, (Revelation 20:2-3).
  • It shall come to pass in that day [That] the LORD will punish on high the host of exalted ones, And on the earth the kings of the earth. They will be gathered together, [As] prisoners are gathered in the pit, And will be shut up in the prison; After many days they will be punished, (Isaiah 24:21-22).