Creation of Dimensions and Angels

When God says in the beginning He created the Heavens and the Earth, could He have just been talking about our heavens that include the stars and sky and the beginning of our dimension? He never addresses anything about angels or sons of God or His throne or His heaven or anything in His realm when talking about the creation in Genesis that I remember, so could He have already created His Heaven and the angels etc before that and just chose to tell us the story about the creation and beginning of our world and dimension since He left all of that out. It does say the morning stars sang together and the sons of God shouted for joy when the foundations of the earth were laid in Job . I’m just wondering why we have to believe that the creation of the realm where God dwells and it’s inhabitants have to be included at the same time as the creation in Genesis when none of it is mentioned as the story is told. I have been a christian my whole life and just never thought that God’s realm was created at the same time as our realm because I don’t remember it being talked about in the bible. Maybe I’m missing verses that would dispute this. I look forward to your reply when you can get to it. Thanks again!

– Jon

The Bible does not articulate when God created the angels like it does with man. However, we can piece together some clues  from the book of Job 38 where we read:

“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell [Me,] if you have understanding. (Job 38:4)
Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? (Job 38:5)
To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, (Job 38:6)
When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy? (Job 38:7)
“Or [who] shut in the sea with doors, When it burst forth [and] issued from the womb; (Job 38:8)
When I made the clouds its garment, And thick darkness its swaddling band; (Job 38:9)
When I fixed My limit for it, And set bars and doors; (Job 38:10)

 

He stretched a line upon it - the line over the earth between day and night

He stretched a line upon it

Notice that the earth is already up to day day two – we know this because the line has been stretched out upon it. The line was pointed out to me, by a brother (whose name I forget), to be the place where day and night meet on the earth as seen from space – it literally is a line passing over it.

Therefore, the angels appear to have been there at least on day two.  But were they there before that? This next part requires several verses to come to an understanding – I will give an abbreviated answer here but many of the proofs are discussed in my course on the Messianic Age which you can listen to here.

There is a currently a veil between the heavenly domain/realm and the earthly. We learn this from Isaiah 25:7 which states that the veil, which covers all nations, is going to be removed

And He will destroy on this mountain The surface of the covering cast over all people, And the veil that is spread over all nations. (Isa 25:7)
He will swallow up death forever, And the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from all faces; The rebuke of His people He will take away from all the earth; For the LORD has spoken. (Isa 25:8)

Isaiah also says in chapter 64:1 oh that you would rend the heavens and come down. We hear of the sky receding like a scroll in Isaia 34 and Revelation 6. The prophets also saw the heavens open on occasion (Ezekiel 1, Revelation 4, 19). Stephen also saw the heavens open when he was being stoned (Acts 7).

We also know that Satan was in Eden, the garden of God, which was associated with the mountain of God (Ezekiel 28:12-18). That mountain is the same mountain that we read about in Isaiah 14 (which Satan attempted to climb and sit upon) and it is also the same that is spoken of in Hebrews 12:22

But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, (Heb 12:22)

The mountain of God is in fact the heavenly Jerusalem according to this verse.

Therefore, the abode of God was created when He created everything else and also that abode was in this domain/dimension before the fall. God walked in the cool of the evening in the Garden of Eden which is the same place that Satan was – and again, the mountain of God was located at the same place.  This means that God’s abode and man’s were in the same dimension and only split after the sentencing and casting out from the Garden with the way blocked to the tree of life. In other words, the casting out was not simply a spacial removal but a dimensional removal. The spiritual dimension was divorced from the natural/physical at that point and those two will be recombined when the New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven and remains on the earth forever.

With all that in view we see that before the creation of the heavens and earth there was only God who existed in and of His own dimension. There was no other space out there, no black emptiness, no void – it was just God. There was only light for even darkness is something that He created (Isaiah 45:7). We also conclude that the traditional view that we have in which God’s abode in “heaven” has always been the original intent is wrong. God’s original intent was to dwell with His creatures on the earth! What we understand to be “heaven” in the Scriptures is in fact the Holy Mountain/Heavenly Jerusalem – which comes down to the earth in the age to come.  So we conclude that only God existed before Genesis 1:1. The current separation of God’s domain from man’s is only a temporary condition which was not in place when God declared everything to be very good. As for the angels, they were therefore created after the heavens and earth of Genesis 1:1 and were dwelling in the same domain as man until the separation of the two.

– Doug